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What harm does homosexuality do, you ask...
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w***@easynews.com
2004-12-30 19:59:06 UTC
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Church scandal aftershocks

U.S. bishops are still accounting for the spiritual, financial and
emotional costs of the scandal of homosexual child sexual abuse by
clergy. The first national audit of Catholic dioceses found
overwhelming compliance with the church's policies on preventing and
reporting abuse and caring for victims.

But a second report by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice,
released in February, found that 4% of U.S. priests in the last
half-century had been involved in abuse. By November, the cost of
litigation, settlements and care for victims and abusers passed $772
million, a USA TODAY study showed. The dioceses of Portland, Ore.;
Spokane, Wash.; and Tucson declared bankruptcy in the face of more
lawsuits.

Church homosexual scandal aftershocks...I know of no heterosexual
sexual behavior that has caused major financial problems and so much
human suffering as that of the behavior of homosexual Catholic priest.
If you do please post an account of it.
Lars Eighner
2004-12-30 20:35:59 UTC
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Church scandal aftershocks
Appears to me your article would more accurately be titled:
"What harm does Catholicism do, you ask ..."
--
Lars Eighner ***@io.com http://www.io.com/~eighner/
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the
merger of state and corporate power."-Benito Mussolini * When you write the
check to pay your taxes, remember there are two l's in "Halliburton."
p***@quentincrisp.com
2004-12-30 20:45:19 UTC
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"What harm does Catholicism do, you ask ..."
Ten points! Or, "What happens when you tell men they'll go to hell if
they have sex?"
w***@easynews.com
2004-12-31 01:49:44 UTC
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In our last episode,
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Church scandal aftershocks
"What harm does Catholicism do, you ask ..."
Typical homosexual response...Make every effort to deny or suppress
the truth about homosexuality. The Catholics "involved" where
homosexual priest.
Lars Eighner
2004-12-31 01:59:40 UTC
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In our last episode,
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In our last episode,
Post by w***@easynews.com
Church scandal aftershocks
"What harm does Catholicism do, you ask ..."
Typical homosexual response...Make every effort to deny or suppress
the truth about homosexuality. The Catholics "involved" where
homosexual priest.
I don't know whether they were homosexuals. I know they were
priests.
--
Lars Eighner ***@io.com http://www.io.com/~eighner/
"With a heavy dose of fear and violence, and a lot of money for projects,
I think we can convince these people that we are here to help them"
-- Lt. Col. Nathan Sassaman
w***@easynews.com
2004-12-31 03:19:29 UTC
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In our last episode,
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In our last episode,
Post by w***@easynews.com
Church scandal aftershocks
"What harm does Catholicism do, you ask ..."
Typical homosexual response...Make every effort to deny or suppress
the truth about homosexuality. The Catholics "involved" where
homosexual priest.
I don't know whether they were homosexuals. I know they were
priests.
They were males who preferred to have sex with males. What sexual
orientation would you guess that to be?
Lars Eighner
2004-12-31 03:29:05 UTC
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In our last episode,
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In our last episode,
Post by w***@easynews.com
Post by Lars Eighner
In our last episode,
Post by w***@easynews.com
Church scandal aftershocks
"What harm does Catholicism do, you ask ..."
Typical homosexual response...Make every effort to deny or suppress
the truth about homosexuality. The Catholics "involved" where
homosexual priest.
I don't know whether they were homosexuals. I know they were
priests.
They were males who preferred to have sex with males. What sexual
orientation would you guess that to be?
Well, in fact we do not know they preferred sex with males. They
had much more unsupervised access to males than to females. And
that was because of Catholicism. The super hocus pocus of the
priesthood, secrecy, sexual segregation, denial of adult sexual
relationships - that's all Catholicism, not homosexuality.
--
Lars Eighner ***@io.com http://www.io.com/~eighner/
"With a heavy dose of fear and violence, and a lot of money for projects,
I think we can convince these people that we are here to help them"
-- Lt. Col. Nathan Sassaman
w***@easynews.com
2004-12-31 04:31:22 UTC
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Post by Lars Eighner
In our last episode,
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In our last episode,
Post by w***@easynews.com
Post by Lars Eighner
In our last episode,
Post by w***@easynews.com
Church scandal aftershocks
"What harm does Catholicism do, you ask ..."
Typical homosexual response...Make every effort to deny or suppress
the truth about homosexuality. The Catholics "involved" where
homosexual priest.
I don't know whether they were homosexuals. I know they were
priests.
They were males who preferred to have sex with males. What sexual
orientation would you guess that to be?
Well, in fact we do not know they preferred sex with males. They
had much more unsupervised access to males than to females. And
that was because of Catholicism. The super hocus pocus of the
priesthood, secrecy, sexual segregation, denial of adult sexual
relationships - that's all Catholicism, not homosexuality.
Homosexual Dogma: "Make every effort to deny or suppress the truth
about homosexuality."
Trudi Marrapodi
2005-01-01 20:00:18 UTC
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Post by Lars Eighner
In our last episode,
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Post by Lars Eighner
In our last episode,
Post by w***@easynews.com
Church scandal aftershocks
"What harm does Catholicism do, you ask ..."
Typical homosexual response...Make every effort to deny or suppress
the truth about homosexuality. The Catholics "involved" where
homosexual priest.
I don't know whether they were homosexuals. I know they were
priests.
They were males who preferred to have sex with males. What sexual
orientation would you guess that to be?
You obviously have some pretty narrow knowledge of what kinds of guys like
to have sex with boys. They're not all necessarily "100% gay." Perhaps
some of them would have married women and had families had they not turned
to the priesthood...and still found themselves attracted to boys.

And let us not forget, the vast majority of child molesters in the general
population (beyond the priesthood) are men who abuse little girls.
Straight they may be, but perverts they are also.
--
Trudi
in the home of the official Crayola "Rock and Roll Raspberry" state
w***@easynews.net
2005-01-02 05:05:21 UTC
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Post by Lars Eighner
In our last episode,
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Post by Lars Eighner
In our last episode,
Post by w***@easynews.com
Church scandal aftershocks
"What harm does Catholicism do, you ask ..."
Typical homosexual response...Make every effort to deny or suppress
the truth about homosexuality. The Catholics "involved" where
homosexual priest.
I don't know whether they were homosexuals. I know they were
priests.
They were males who preferred to have sex with males. What sexual
orientation would you guess that to be?
You obviously have some pretty narrow knowledge of what kinds of guys like
to have sex with boys. They're not all necessarily "100% gay." Perhaps
some of them would have married women and had families had they not turned
to the priesthood...and still found themselves attracted to boys.
Then they would be homosexuals if their sexual attraction is to
another male. The recent resignation of a state governor comes to
mind.
Post by Trudi Marrapodi
And let us not forget, the vast majority of child molesters in the general
population (beyond the priesthood) are men who abuse little girls.
Straight they may be, but perverts they are also.
No one is denying that point. It is only the homosexuals who are
trying to deny and/or suppress the truth about their rampant sexual
abuse of boys and young men.
occupant
2005-01-02 06:08:56 UTC
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Post by w***@easynews.net
No one is denying that point. It is only the homosexuals who are
trying to deny and/or suppress the truth about their rampant sexual
abuse of boys and young men.
Most parents educate their children from a young age that sexual abuse
of
any type is a no-no and if anyone, heterosexual or homosexual suggests
anything
inappropriate to say no or report it to authorities immediately. While
abuse exists,
I would be hard pressed to believe, in the absence of evidence to the
contrary, that
there is anything close to rampant sexual abuse of boys and young men.
w***@privacy.net
2005-01-02 19:00:33 UTC
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Post by w***@easynews.net
No one is denying that point. It is only the homosexuals who are
trying to deny and/or suppress the truth about their rampant sexual
abuse of boys and young men.
Most parents educate their children from a young age that sexual abuse
of
any type is a no-no and if anyone, heterosexual or homosexual suggests
anything
inappropriate to say no or report it to authorities immediately. While
abuse exists,
I would be hard pressed to believe, in the absence of evidence to the
contrary, that
there is anything close to rampant sexual abuse of boys and young men.
I can only suggest that your level of gullibility causes you to
believe that.
occupant
2005-01-02 06:02:07 UTC
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Post by Trudi Marrapodi
You obviously have some pretty narrow knowledge of what kinds of guys like
to have sex with boys. They're not all necessarily "100% gay." Perhaps
some of them would have married women and had families had they not turned
to the priesthood...and still found themselves attracted to boys.
Well, Trudi, not my original comment, but you are correct, but them most
people
aren't 100 percent anything. But does it matter? In the context of
most women, they would be
less than enchanted if they married a guy who enjoyed having sex with
boys/young men.
Marriage is a certificate but it doesn't specifiy or denote ones sexual
orientation. It only
signfies that two people of the opposite sex in America and two people
of either sex or the opposite
sex in Canada said I do.
Post by Trudi Marrapodi
And let us not forget, the vast majority of child molesters in the general
population (beyond the priesthood) are men who abuse little girls.
Straight they may be, but perverts they are also.
I would probably agree with you simply on the basis that there are many
billions of men on the planet and
only a few million of them are gay so that leave some that would be
inclined towards abusing little girls.
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Trudi
in the home of the official Crayola "Rock and Roll Raspberry" state
w***@privacy.net
2005-01-02 18:58:42 UTC
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Post by Trudi Marrapodi
And let us not forget, the vast majority of child molesters in the general
population (beyond the priesthood) are men who abuse little girls.
Straight they may be, but perverts they are also.
I would probably agree with you simply on the basis that there are many
billions of men on the planet and
only a few million of them are gay so that leave some that would be
inclined towards abusing little girls.
Homosexuals refused to accept the fact that they can't be treated
"equally" when it comes to measures of per capita or ratio. They will
not accept that they are a small minority in "any" society. To treat
two unequals as equals causes as much injustice as to treat two equals
unequally. The jurisprudence of true equality cannot be infringed
regardless of how many tears homosexuals shed.
Fritz
2005-01-02 19:23:21 UTC
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On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 06:02:07 GMT, occupant
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Post by Trudi Marrapodi
And let us not forget, the vast majority of child molesters in the general
population (beyond the priesthood) are men who abuse little girls.
Straight they may be, but perverts they are also.
I would probably agree with you simply on the basis that there are many
billions of men on the planet and
only a few million of them are gay so that leave some that would be
inclined towards abusing little girls.
Homosexuals refused to accept the fact that they can't be treated
"equally" when it comes to measures of per capita or ratio. They will
not accept that they are a small minority in "any" society. To treat
two unequals as equals causes as much injustice as to treat two equals
unequally. The jurisprudence of true equality cannot be infringed
regardless of how many tears homosexuals shed.
Then you don't believe in the American way?

--
Fritz
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Religion = tyranny.
Dionisio
2005-01-02 22:58:49 UTC
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Homosexuals refused to accept the fact that they can't be treated
"equally" when it comes to measures of per capita or ratio. They will
not accept that they are a small minority in "any" society. To treat
two unequals as equals causes as much injustice as to treat two equals
unequally. The jurisprudence of true equality cannot be infringed
regardless of how many tears homosexuals shed.
But, but, we get divorced; Just like you! Isn't that enough?!?

(And we'll work on the percentages thing if you like, master.)
--
Why is it that heterosexuals blame the homosexuals for homosexuality when the genes and/or environment are predominantly provided by heterosexuals?
-- ***@gate.net, 02 Jan 1996
occupant
2005-01-03 02:23:19 UTC
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Homosexuals refused to accept the fact that they can't be treated
"equally" when it comes to measures of per capita or ratio. They will
not accept that they are a small minority in "any" society. To treat
two unequals as equals causes as much injustice as to treat two equals
unequally. The jurisprudence of true equality cannot be infringed
regardless of how many tears homosexuals shed.
But, but, we get divorced; Just like you! Isn't that enough?!?
(And we'll work on the percentages thing if you like, master.)
I certainly can't and it would be presumptious of me to assume that the
person who says the statement regardling the per capita or ratio
statement is white, but my understanding of the world is that whites
in almost every counry are becomming a minority every so slowly. In
America isn't it the Latinos, if that is a proper term, that are making
huge gains in the population ratio in America?
occupant
2005-01-03 02:17:47 UTC
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On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 06:02:07 GMT, occupant
Post by occupant
Post by Trudi Marrapodi
And let us not forget, the vast majority of child molesters in the general
population (beyond the priesthood) are men who abuse little girls.
Straight they may be, but perverts they are also.
I would probably agree with you simply on the basis that there are many
billions of men on the planet and
only a few million of them are gay so that leave some that would be
inclined towards abusing little girls.
Homosexuals refused to accept the fact that they can't be treated
"equally" when it comes to measures of per capita or ratio.
While you or I can't fairly speak for homosexuals, the request for civil
rights or rights
of marriage are based, as I understand it, of rights afforded them under
the Canadian
Charter of Rights. I appreciate from the way you spell certain words
that you may be an Americanan. Of course your situation down there may
be quite different. But people of different colour have secured the
vote along with women and the right not only to marry someone of the
same ethnic/colour background but now are able to interracial marry
which I don't think was possible in America at one time.
Post by w***@privacy.net
They will
not accept that they are a small minority in "any" society.
Sure you don't believe that small minority of citizens of any country
should should have fewer rights or different rights and civil liberities
including marriage than anybody else? All citiziens reardless of
colour, ethnicity, sexual orientation, colour are all valued and equal
citizens under the laws of your great country and mine?
Post by w***@privacy.net
To treat
two unequals as equals causes as much injustice as to treat two equals
unequally.
That may be so in math. Culture differences and sexual orientation are
not about being
being unequal, they are about being different. African Americans are
differnt, perhaps still a minority group but defintiely equal as far as
civil rights, human rights and rights of of marriage under our law and
certainly your law, too.
Post by w***@privacy.net
The jurisprudence of true equality cannot be infringed
regardless of how many tears homosexuals shed.
You may hold that view in the same way that others held a differnt view
about women getting the right to vote. It doesn't make you wrong, but at
the same time, it doesn't mean that in your society or mine that
homosexuals and other minorities won't get the right to marry and other
human rights and civil rights afforded other citizens.

Usually those that shed tears are those that feel they have lost
something - else there may be tears of joy, of course. Homosexual are
starting from zero and may gain the right to marry in Aamerica in time
as they have gained the right to marry in Canada. So from a Canadian
perspective, it is ever so modestly tears of joy.

Lesbians are too tough to cry. Drag Queens are equally too tough to cry
in spite of someitmes exhibiting extreme emotional states and the
homosexuals who try took look macho progably won't cry either at the
risk of ruining their image so I am not sure who of the homosexual
community is left to cry.
Brent Norman
2004-12-31 02:19:24 UTC
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Church scandal aftershocks
"What harm does Catholicism do, you ask ..."
Typical homosexual response...Make every effort to deny or suppress
the truth about homosexuality. The Catholics "involved" where
homosexual priest.
But the RCC does not permit homosexual priests in their ransk. They
are contrary to their established doctrine. Haven't you read the
Vatican's position papers on homosexuality?

You are holding priests up as an example of "the truth about
homosexuality".. Next thing you'll be holding nuns up as an example of
the "truth about heterosexuality"?
w***@easynews.com
2004-12-31 03:20:33 UTC
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Post by Brent Norman
Post by w***@easynews.com
Post by Lars Eighner
In our last episode,
Post by w***@easynews.com
Church scandal aftershocks
"What harm does Catholicism do, you ask ..."
Typical homosexual response...Make every effort to deny or suppress
the truth about homosexuality. The Catholics "involved" where
homosexual priest.
But the RCC does not permit homosexual priests in their ransk. They
are contrary to their established doctrine. Haven't you read the
Vatican's position papers on homosexuality?
You are holding priests up as an example of "the truth about
homosexuality".. Next thing you'll be holding nuns up as an example of
the "truth about heterosexuality"?
Spin 0n!
Brent Norman
2004-12-31 06:04:55 UTC
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Post by Brent Norman
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Post by Lars Eighner
In our last episode,
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Church scandal aftershocks
"What harm does Catholicism do, you ask ..."
Typical homosexual response...Make every effort to deny or
suppress
Post by w***@easynews.com
Post by Brent Norman
Post by w***@easynews.com
the truth about homosexuality. The Catholics "involved" where
homosexual priest.
But the RCC does not permit homosexual priests in their ransk. They
are contrary to their established doctrine. Haven't you read the
Vatican's position papers on homosexuality?
You are holding priests up as an example of "the truth about
homosexuality".. Next thing you'll be holding nuns up as an example of
the "truth about heterosexuality"?
Spin 0n!
Well you tell me then! Homosexuality is against RCC doctrine. Why
would they allow homosexual priests within their ranks? Does that make
any sense?
w***@easynews.com
2004-12-31 11:57:16 UTC
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Post by Lars Eighner
In our last episode,
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Church scandal aftershocks
"What harm does Catholicism do, you ask ..."
Typical homosexual response...Make every effort to deny or
suppress
Post by w***@easynews.com
Post by Brent Norman
Post by w***@easynews.com
the truth about homosexuality. The Catholics "involved" where
homosexual priest.
But the RCC does not permit homosexual priests in their ransk. They
are contrary to their established doctrine. Haven't you read the
Vatican's position papers on homosexuality?
You are holding priests up as an example of "the truth about
homosexuality".. Next thing you'll be holding nuns up as an example
of
Post by w***@easynews.com
Post by Brent Norman
the "truth about heterosexuality"?
Spin 0n!
Well you tell me then! Homosexuality is against RCC doctrine. Why
would they allow homosexual priests within their ranks? Does that make
any sense?
You tell us...you seem to be presenting yourself as an expert on
Catholicism.
chillled
2004-12-30 21:40:32 UTC
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They take almost all the guys who like to dance. Straight women have a
right to bear a grudge on this issue.
Matty
2005-01-01 12:28:31 UTC
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Post by chillled
They take almost all the guys who like to dance. Straight women have a
right to bear a grudge on this issue.
LOL, either that, or those who can say something beyond the "grunt,
<rearrange crutch> and <burp>"

Matty
Brent Norman
2004-12-30 21:50:37 UTC
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U.S. bishops are still accounting for the spiritual, financial and
emotional costs of the scandal of homosexual child sexual abuse by
clergy. The first national audit of Catholic dioceses found
overwhelming compliance with the church's policies on preventing and
reporting abuse and caring for victims.
But a second report by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice,
released in February, found that 4% of U.S. priests in the last
half-century had been involved in abuse. By November, the cost of
litigation, settlements and care for victims and abusers passed $772
million, a USA TODAY study showed. The dioceses of Portland, Ore.;
Spokane, Wash.; and Tucson declared bankruptcy in the face of more
lawsuits.
Church homosexual scandal aftershocks...I know of no heterosexual
sexual behavior that has caused major financial problems and so much
human suffering as that of the behavior of homosexual Catholic
priest.
Post by w***@easynews.com
If you do please post an account of it.
Those priests are as far removed from the typical homosexual as can be.
Homosexual men like MEN, and heterosexual men like WOMEN.

The harmful factor is not "homosexuality", it is the culture of secrecy
that kept this going as long as it did. You don't solve an abuse
problem by moving the offender to another place where he can continue
offending.
w***@easynews.net
2004-12-31 01:56:25 UTC
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U.S. bishops are still accounting for the spiritual, financial and
emotional costs of the scandal of homosexual child sexual abuse by
clergy. The first national audit of Catholic dioceses found
overwhelming compliance with the church's policies on preventing and
reporting abuse and caring for victims.
But a second report by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice,
released in February, found that 4% of U.S. priests in the last
half-century had been involved in abuse. By November, the cost of
litigation, settlements and care for victims and abusers passed $772
million, a USA TODAY study showed. The dioceses of Portland, Ore.;
Spokane, Wash.; and Tucson declared bankruptcy in the face of more
lawsuits.
Church homosexual scandal aftershocks...I know of no heterosexual
sexual behavior that has caused major financial problems and so much
human suffering as that of the behavior of homosexual Catholic
priest.
Post by w***@easynews.com
If you do please post an account of it.
Those priests are as far removed from the typical homosexual as can be.
Homosexual men like MEN, and heterosexual men like WOMEN.
The harmful factor is not "homosexuality", it is the culture of secrecy
that kept this going as long as it did. You don't solve an abuse
problem by moving the offender to another place where he can continue
offending.
Again, a homosexual makes every effort to deny or suppress the truth
about homosexuality.

Homosexuals males like males. You'll have great difficulty deny or
suppressing that fact given the sexual abuses of boys in the churches
and young men in the seminaries buy homosexual Catholic priest.
Brent Norman
2004-12-31 02:16:50 UTC
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U.S. bishops are still accounting for the spiritual, financial and
emotional costs of the scandal of homosexual child sexual abuse by
clergy. The first national audit of Catholic dioceses found
overwhelming compliance with the church's policies on preventing and
reporting abuse and caring for victims.
But a second report by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice,
released in February, found that 4% of U.S. priests in the last
half-century had been involved in abuse. By November, the cost of
litigation, settlements and care for victims and abusers passed $772
million, a USA TODAY study showed. The dioceses of Portland, Ore.;
Spokane, Wash.; and Tucson declared bankruptcy in the face of more
lawsuits.
Church homosexual scandal aftershocks...I know of no heterosexual
sexual behavior that has caused major financial problems and so much
human suffering as that of the behavior of homosexual Catholic
priest.
Post by w***@easynews.com
If you do please post an account of it.
Those priests are as far removed from the typical homosexual as can be.
Homosexual men like MEN, and heterosexual men like WOMEN.
The harmful factor is not "homosexuality", it is the culture of secrecy
that kept this going as long as it did. You don't solve an abuse
problem by moving the offender to another place where he can
continue
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Post by Brent Norman
offending.
Again, a homosexual makes every effort to deny or suppress the truth
about homosexuality.
Homosexuals males like males.
You'll have great difficulty deny or
suppressing that fact given the sexual abuses of boys in the churches
and young men in the seminaries buy homosexual Catholic priest.
Again, so-called "homosexual Catholic priest" have little, if anything,
in common with the average homosexual adult male.

The average homosexual adult male likes other adult males. The average
homosexual male has a life totally unlike that life of a catholic
priest (homo or hetero for that matter).

Technically a RCC priest is supposed to be asexual, that is, expressing
a sexual preference for neither male nor female.

The sexual abuse of boys in churches has nothing to do with homosexuals
in general. To point that out has nothing to do with "supressing the
truth about homosexuality"

The sexual abuse of boys in religious institutions is no more the
"truth about homosexuality" than is the abuse of boys or girls outside
of religious institutions is about the "truth about heterosexuality".
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2004-12-31 03:24:11 UTC
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U.S. bishops are still accounting for the spiritual, financial and
emotional costs of the scandal of homosexual child sexual abuse by
clergy. The first national audit of Catholic dioceses found
overwhelming compliance with the church's policies on preventing
and
Post by w***@easynews.net
Post by Brent Norman
Post by w***@easynews.com
reporting abuse and caring for victims.
But a second report by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice,
released in February, found that 4% of U.S. priests in the last
half-century had been involved in abuse. By November, the cost of
litigation, settlements and care for victims and abusers passed
$772
Post by w***@easynews.net
Post by Brent Norman
Post by w***@easynews.com
million, a USA TODAY study showed. The dioceses of Portland, Ore.;
Spokane, Wash.; and Tucson declared bankruptcy in the face of more
lawsuits.
Church homosexual scandal aftershocks...I know of no heterosexual
sexual behavior that has caused major financial problems and so
much
Post by w***@easynews.net
Post by Brent Norman
Post by w***@easynews.com
human suffering as that of the behavior of homosexual Catholic
priest.
Post by w***@easynews.com
If you do please post an account of it.
Those priests are as far removed from the typical homosexual as can
be.
Post by w***@easynews.net
Post by Brent Norman
Homosexual men like MEN, and heterosexual men like WOMEN.
The harmful factor is not "homosexuality", it is the culture of
secrecy
Post by w***@easynews.net
Post by Brent Norman
that kept this going as long as it did. You don't solve an abuse
problem by moving the offender to another place where he can
continue
Post by w***@easynews.net
Post by Brent Norman
offending.
Again, a homosexual makes every effort to deny or suppress the truth
about homosexuality.
Homosexuals males like males.
You'll have great difficulty deny or
suppressing that fact given the sexual abuses of boys in the churches
and young men in the seminaries buy homosexual Catholic priest.
Again, so-called "homosexual Catholic priest" have little, if anything,
in common with the average homosexual adult male.
The average homosexual adult male likes other adult males. The average
homosexual male has a life totally unlike that life of a catholic
priest (homo or hetero for that matter).
Technically a RCC priest is supposed to be asexual, that is, expressing
a sexual preference for neither male nor female.
The sexual abuse of boys in churches has nothing to do with homosexuals
in general. To point that out has nothing to do with "supressing the
truth about homosexuality"
The sexual abuse of boys in religious institutions is no more the
"truth about homosexuality" than is the abuse of boys or girls outside
of religious institutions is about the "truth about heterosexuality".
So you are denying that homosexuals exist among the priests in the
Catholic church. As I have pointed out in several posts, "It is
fore-front in the homosexual dogma to deny the truth about
homosexuality."
Brent Norman
2004-12-31 06:10:28 UTC
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Post by w***@easynews.com
On 30 Dec 2004 18:16:50 -0800, "Brent Norman"
Post by Brent Norman
Post by w***@easynews.net
On 30 Dec 2004 13:50:37 -0800, "Brent Norman"
Post by Brent Norman
Post by w***@easynews.com
Church scandal aftershocks
[odd crossposting to
nyc.general,alt.califronia,alt.gossip.celebrities
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Post by w***@easynews.com
U.S. bishops are still accounting for the spiritual, financial and
emotional costs of the scandal of homosexual child sexual abuse by
clergy. The first national audit of Catholic dioceses found
overwhelming compliance with the church's policies on
preventing
Post by w***@easynews.com
Post by Brent Norman
and
Post by w***@easynews.net
Post by Brent Norman
Post by w***@easynews.com
reporting abuse and caring for victims.
But a second report by the John Jay College of Criminal
Justice,
Post by w***@easynews.com
Post by Brent Norman
Post by w***@easynews.net
Post by Brent Norman
Post by w***@easynews.com
released in February, found that 4% of U.S. priests in the last
half-century had been involved in abuse. By November, the cost of
litigation, settlements and care for victims and abusers passed
$772
Post by w***@easynews.net
Post by Brent Norman
Post by w***@easynews.com
million, a USA TODAY study showed. The dioceses of Portland, Ore.;
Spokane, Wash.; and Tucson declared bankruptcy in the face of more
lawsuits.
Church homosexual scandal aftershocks...I know of no
heterosexual
Post by w***@easynews.com
Post by Brent Norman
Post by w***@easynews.net
Post by Brent Norman
Post by w***@easynews.com
sexual behavior that has caused major financial problems and so
much
Post by w***@easynews.net
Post by Brent Norman
Post by w***@easynews.com
human suffering as that of the behavior of homosexual Catholic
priest.
Post by w***@easynews.com
If you do please post an account of it.
Those priests are as far removed from the typical homosexual as can
be.
Post by w***@easynews.net
Post by Brent Norman
Homosexual men like MEN, and heterosexual men like WOMEN.
The harmful factor is not "homosexuality", it is the culture of
secrecy
Post by w***@easynews.net
Post by Brent Norman
that kept this going as long as it did. You don't solve an abuse
problem by moving the offender to another place where he can
continue
Post by w***@easynews.net
Post by Brent Norman
offending.
Again, a homosexual makes every effort to deny or suppress the truth
about homosexuality.
Homosexuals males like males.
You'll have great difficulty deny or
suppressing that fact given the sexual abuses of boys in the churches
and young men in the seminaries buy homosexual Catholic priest.
Again, so-called "homosexual Catholic priest" have little, if
anything,
Post by w***@easynews.com
Post by Brent Norman
in common with the average homosexual adult male.
The average homosexual adult male likes other adult males. The average
homosexual male has a life totally unlike that life of a catholic
priest (homo or hetero for that matter).
Technically a RCC priest is supposed to be asexual, that is,
expressing
Post by w***@easynews.com
Post by Brent Norman
a sexual preference for neither male nor female.
The sexual abuse of boys in churches has nothing to do with
homosexuals
Post by w***@easynews.com
Post by Brent Norman
in general. To point that out has nothing to do with "supressing the
truth about homosexuality"
The sexual abuse of boys in religious institutions is no more the
"truth about homosexuality" than is the abuse of boys or girls outside
of religious institutions is about the "truth about
heterosexuality".
Post by w***@easynews.com
So you are denying that homosexuals exist among the priests in the
Catholic church.
I didn't say they didn't. I posed a question. How can a church have
homosexual priests given the organization's stance on homosexuality?
Post by w***@easynews.com
As I have pointed out in several posts, "It is
fore-front in the homosexual dogma to deny the truth about
homosexuality."
Your attempts to somehow show CSA as somehow standard practice for
homosexuals as "truth" is the only "homosexual dogma to deny the truth
about homosexuality" .
No One
2004-12-31 03:00:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by w***@easynews.net
On 30 Dec 2004 13:50:37 -0800, "Brent Norman"
Post by Brent Norman
The harmful factor is not "homosexuality", it is the culture of secrecy
that kept this going as long as it did. You don't solve an abuse
problem by moving the offender to another place where he can continue
offending.
Again, a homosexual makes every effort to deny or suppress the truth
about homosexuality.
Homosexuals males like males. You'll have great difficulty deny or
suppressing that fact given the sexual abuses of boys in the churches
and young men in the seminaries buy homosexual Catholic priest.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I think every gay guy on the planet will deny that "young men in
seminaries buy [sic] homosexual priest [sic]." Your high school
English teacher will deny it too (and hopefully gave you the grade
you so richly deserve.)
explorer
2004-12-31 00:36:57 UTC
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Absolutely none when practiced by caring, consenting adults.
Dionisio
2004-12-31 01:07:31 UTC
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Post by w***@easynews.com
Church homosexual scandal aftershocks...I know of no heterosexual
sexual behavior that has caused major financial problems and so much
human suffering as that of the behavior of homosexual Catholic priest.
If you do please post an account of it.
Oh, that's easy. One word: Divorce.

Next?
--
Why is it that heterosexuals blame the homosexuals for homosexuality when the genes and/or environment are predominantly provided by heterosexuals?
-- ***@gate.net, 02 Jan 1996
w***@easynews.com
2004-12-31 01:58:48 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 01:07:31 GMT, Dionisio
Post by Dionisio
Post by w***@easynews.com
Church homosexual scandal aftershocks...I know of no heterosexual
sexual behavior that has caused major financial problems and so much
human suffering as that of the behavior of homosexual Catholic priest.
If you do please post an account of it.
Oh, that's easy. One word: Divorce.
Homosexuals don't divorce? How wonderful.
Post by Dionisio
Next?
Yeah, right.
Dionisio
2004-12-31 02:37:13 UTC
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Post by w***@easynews.com
Homosexuals don't divorce? How wonderful.
Not in near the percentages that heterosexuals do. Yes, that is wonderful.
--
Why is it that heterosexuals blame the homosexuals for homosexuality when the genes and/or environment are predominantly provided by heterosexuals?
-- ***@gate.net, 02 Jan 1996
w***@easynews.com
2004-12-31 03:26:41 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 02:37:13 GMT, Dionisio
Post by Dionisio
Post by w***@easynews.com
Homosexuals don't divorce? How wonderful.
Not in near the percentages that heterosexuals do. Yes, that is wonderful.
Hmmmmmm! Could that be because they don't marry in near the
percentages that heterosexuals do? DILBERT!
Dionisio
2004-12-31 17:10:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by w***@easynews.com
Hmmmmmm! Could that be because they don't marry in near the
percentages that heterosexuals do? DILBERT!
The success or failure of a marriage is not dependent upon the number of
people of a given group. It is dependent upon the marriages that take
place. Heterosexuals who marry quite blatantly outnumber homosexuals who
marry. Heterosexuals who divorce are also quite blatantly more numerous.
But then one looks at the percentages...

One group has a considerably higher percentage than the other. Wonder
what that means...
--
Why is it that heterosexuals blame the homosexuals for homosexuality when the genes and/or environment are predominantly provided by heterosexuals?
-- ***@gate.net, 02 Jan 1996
w***@easynews.net
2004-12-31 20:14:06 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 17:10:49 GMT, Dionisio
Post by Dionisio
Post by w***@easynews.com
Hmmmmmm! Could that be because they don't marry in near the
percentages that heterosexuals do? DILBERT!
The success or failure of a marriage is not dependent upon the number of
people of a given group. It is dependent upon the marriages that take
place. Heterosexuals who marry quite blatantly outnumber homosexuals who
marry. Heterosexuals who divorce are also quite blatantly more numerous.
But then one looks at the percentages...
One group has a considerably higher percentage than the other. Wonder
what that means...
It means nothing if you don't take into consideration the numbers in
each group. If there be 100 divorces among 1000 het couples and 10
divorces among 100 homo couples, who has the highest percentage of
divorces...see how that works, LeRoy?
explorer
2004-12-31 20:48:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by w***@easynews.net
On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 17:10:49 GMT, Dionisio
Post by Dionisio
Post by w***@easynews.com
Hmmmmmm! Could that be because they don't marry in near the
percentages that heterosexuals do? DILBERT!
The success or failure of a marriage is not dependent upon the number of
people of a given group. It is dependent upon the marriages that take
place. Heterosexuals who marry quite blatantly outnumber homosexuals who
marry. Heterosexuals who divorce are also quite blatantly more numerous.
But then one looks at the percentages...
One group has a considerably higher percentage than the other. Wonder
what that means...
It means nothing if you don't take into consideration the numbers in
each group. If there be 100 divorces among 1000 het couples and 10
divorces among 100 homo couples, who has the highest percentage of
divorces...see how that works, LeRoy?
It's 10% in either case. I guess math isn't your thing.
Jeffrey Salzberg
2004-12-31 22:18:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by explorer
Post by w***@easynews.net
It means nothing if you don't take into consideration the numbers in
each group. If there be 100 divorces among 1000 het couples and 10
divorces among 100 homo couples, who has the highest percentage of
divorces...see how that works, LeRoy?
It's 10% in either case. I guess math isn't your thing.
Math, after all, requires logic.
r***@my-deja.com
2005-01-03 16:01:29 UTC
Permalink
Those who equate homosexuality with pedophilia, by nature, have some
serious logical deficiencies.
Jeffrey Salzberg
2005-01-03 16:06:25 UTC
Permalink
In article <***@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, rms1
@my-deja.com says...
Post by r***@my-deja.com
Those who equate homosexuality with pedophilia, by nature, have some
serious logical deficiencies.
The same could be said for all people who base hatred on sexual
orientation or ethnicity.
w***@privacy.net
2005-01-03 17:58:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jeffrey Salzberg
@my-deja.com says...
Post by r***@my-deja.com
Those who equate homosexuality with pedophilia, by nature, have some
serious logical deficiencies.
The same could be said for all people who base hatred on sexual
orientation or ethnicity.
Pedophilia is a sexual orientation...But not to worry the same
association that shoved homosexuality down our throats as a "normal
behavior" will be doing the same thing with the pedophile very soon.
Then you shall have an allegiance of gay,lib,bi,trans,and pedo's. God!
What a fucking parade they will put on. Their credo, "Leave No Child's
Behind!"
L. Michael Roberts
2005-01-03 19:10:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by w***@privacy.net
Post by Jeffrey Salzberg
@my-deja.com says...
Post by r***@my-deja.com
Those who equate homosexuality with pedophilia, by nature, have some
serious logical deficiencies.
The same could be said for all people who base hatred on sexual
orientation or ethnicity.
Pedophilia is a sexual orientation...
Naturally you can provide documented proof of this from the recent,
peer-reviewed, scientific literature? Last time I checked, there were
only 4 sexual orientations and pedophilia was *not* one of them. Feel
free to prove me wrong by posting an unambiguous statement from an
authoritative, mainstream, scientific source listing all of the sexual
orientations.

<snip>
--
+==================== L. Michael Roberts ======================+
This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
Goderich, Ont, Canada. To reply, post a request for my valid E-mail
"Life is a sexually transmitted, terminal, condition"
+================================================================+
w***@privacy.net
2005-01-03 21:39:20 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 14:10:44 -0500, "L. Michael Roberts"
Post by L. Michael Roberts
Post by w***@privacy.net
Post by Jeffrey Salzberg
@my-deja.com says...
Post by r***@my-deja.com
Those who equate homosexuality with pedophilia, by nature, have some
serious logical deficiencies.
The same could be said for all people who base hatred on sexual
orientation or ethnicity.
Pedophilia is a sexual orientation...
Naturally you can provide documented proof of this from the recent,
peer-reviewed, scientific literature? Last time I checked, there were
only 4 sexual orientations and pedophilia was *not* one of them. Feel
free to prove me wrong by posting an unambiguous statement from an
authoritative, mainstream, scientific source listing all of the sexual
orientations.
So many people have proved you wrong about so many things that I have
no desire to participate in the redundancy.

BTW -- Are you still sleeping with your queer brother? The AIDS
epidemic among male homosexuals in canada doesn't frighten you?
Post by L. Michael Roberts
<snip>
Jeffrey Salzberg
2005-01-03 21:51:27 UTC
Permalink
In article <***@4ax.com>, ***@privacy.net
says...
Post by w***@privacy.net
Post by L. Michael Roberts
Naturally you can provide documented proof of this from the recent,
peer-reviewed, scientific literature? Last time I checked, there were
only 4 sexual orientations and pedophilia was *not* one of them. Feel
free to prove me wrong by posting an unambiguous statement from an
authoritative, mainstream, scientific source listing all of the sexual
orientations.
So many people have proved you wrong about so many things that I have
no desire to participate in the redundancy.
In other words, you can't.
w***@privacy.net
2005-01-04 01:52:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jeffrey Salzberg
says...
Post by w***@privacy.net
Post by L. Michael Roberts
Naturally you can provide documented proof of this from the recent,
peer-reviewed, scientific literature? Last time I checked, there were
only 4 sexual orientations and pedophilia was *not* one of them. Feel
free to prove me wrong by posting an unambiguous statement from an
authoritative, mainstream, scientific source listing all of the sexual
orientations.
So many people have proved you wrong about so many things that I have
no desire to participate in the redundancy.
In other words, you can't.
No, in other words, "I Won't." Piss you off?
Jeffrey Salzberg
2005-01-04 02:47:00 UTC
Permalink
In article <***@4ax.com>, ***@privacy.net
says...
Post by w***@privacy.net
Post by Jeffrey Salzberg
says...
Post by w***@privacy.net
Post by L. Michael Roberts
Naturally you can provide documented proof of this from the recent,
peer-reviewed, scientific literature? Last time I checked, there were
only 4 sexual orientations and pedophilia was *not* one of them. Feel
free to prove me wrong by posting an unambiguous statement from an
authoritative, mainstream, scientific source listing all of the sexual
orientations.
So many people have proved you wrong about so many things that I have
no desire to participate in the redundancy.
In other words, you can't.
No, in other words, "I Won't." Piss you off?
Not at all; it's fun to watch you squirm.
Phyl
2005-01-04 11:23:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jeffrey Salzberg
says...
Post by w***@privacy.net
Post by Jeffrey Salzberg
says...
Post by w***@privacy.net
Post by L. Michael Roberts
Naturally you can provide documented proof of this from the recent,
peer-reviewed, scientific literature? Last time I checked, there were
only 4 sexual orientations and pedophilia was *not* one of them. Feel
free to prove me wrong by posting an unambiguous statement from an
authoritative, mainstream, scientific source listing all of the sexual
orientations.
So many people have proved you wrong about so many things that I have
no desire to participate in the redundancy.
In other words, you can't.
No, in other words, "I Won't." Piss you off?
Not at all; it's fun to watch you squirm.
We're all enjoying the show, mind you ;)
--
Phyl

Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired,
signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not
fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.
--- President Dwight D. Eisenhower
L. Michael Roberts
2005-01-04 02:39:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by w***@privacy.net
On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 14:10:44 -0500, "L. Michael Roberts"
Post by L. Michael Roberts
Post by w***@privacy.net
Post by Jeffrey Salzberg
@my-deja.com says...
<snip>
Post by w***@privacy.net
Post by L. Michael Roberts
Post by w***@privacy.net
Pedophilia is a sexual orientation...
Naturally you can provide documented proof of this from the recent,
peer-reviewed, scientific literature? Last time I checked, there were
only 4 sexual orientations and pedophilia was *not* one of them. Feel
free to prove me wrong by posting an unambiguous statement from an
authoritative, mainstream, scientific source listing all of the sexual
orientations.
So many people have proved you wrong about so many things that I have
no desire to participate in the redundancy.
Your lack of a citation, as usual, is noted.
Post by w***@privacy.net
BTW -- Are you still sleeping with your queer brother? The AIDS
epidemic among male homosexuals in canada doesn't frighten you?
Typically Billy [bigot boy] Taylor reply.... can't produce any
facts/evidence so he resorts to insults and personal attacks.
--
+==================== L. Michael Roberts ======================+
This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
Goderich, Ont, Canada. To reply, post a request for my valid E-mail
"Life is a sexually transmitted, terminal, condition"
+================================================================+
w***@privacy.net
2005-01-04 15:01:31 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 21:39:42 -0500, "L. Michael Roberts"
Post by L. Michael Roberts
Post by w***@privacy.net
BTW -- Are you still sleeping with your queer brother? The AIDS
epidemic among male homosexuals in canada doesn't frighten you?
Typically Billy [bigot boy] Taylor reply.... can't produce any
facts/evidence so he resorts to insults and personal attacks.
Your brother is a homosexual isn't he? Homosexuals do prefer to have
sex with those of their own gender don't they? Where's the insult,
moose?

w***@easynews.com
2005-01-01 03:16:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by explorer
Post by w***@easynews.net
On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 17:10:49 GMT, Dionisio
Post by Dionisio
Post by w***@easynews.com
Hmmmmmm! Could that be because they don't marry in near the
percentages that heterosexuals do? DILBERT!
The success or failure of a marriage is not dependent upon the number of
people of a given group. It is dependent upon the marriages that take
place. Heterosexuals who marry quite blatantly outnumber homosexuals who
marry. Heterosexuals who divorce are also quite blatantly more numerous.
But then one looks at the percentages...
One group has a considerably higher percentage than the other. Wonder
what that means...
It means nothing if you don't take into consideration the numbers in
each group. If there be 100 divorces among 1000 het couples and 10
divorces among 100 homo couples, who has the highest percentage of
divorces...see how that works, LeRoy?
It's 10% in either case. I guess math isn't your thing.
There's no doubt that reading comprehension is not yours.
Dionisio
2004-12-31 21:06:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by w***@easynews.net
It means nothing if you don't take into consideration the numbers in
each group.
Again the hang-up with mere numbers... We're talking percentages. 23% is
less than half of 50%. Deal with it.
--
Why is it that heterosexuals blame the homosexuals for homosexuality when the genes and/or environment are predominantly provided by heterosexuals?
-- ***@gate.net, 02 Jan 1996
James Riske
2005-01-01 01:16:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dionisio
Post by w***@easynews.com
Hmmmmmm! Could that be because they don't marry in near the
percentages that heterosexuals do? DILBERT!
The success or failure of a marriage is not dependent upon the number of
people of a given group. It is dependent upon the marriages that take
place. Heterosexuals who marry quite blatantly outnumber homosexuals who
marry. Heterosexuals who divorce are also quite blatantly more numerous.
But then one looks at the percentages...
One group has a considerably higher percentage than the other. Wonder
what that means...
Yes!
Take pedophilia for instance, faggots are 6 times more likely to molest
a child than a normal human is.
--
"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do
nothing."--Edmund Burke
Jeffrey Salzberg
2005-01-01 01:35:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by James Riske
Take pedophilia for instance, faggots are 6 times more likely to molest
a child than a normal human is.
Do you have a credible citation for that?

No, I thought not.
Dionisio
2005-01-01 02:19:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by James Riske
Take pedophilia for instance, faggots are 6 times more likely to
molest a child than a normal human is.
Still worshiping Cameron, eh?
--
Why is it that heterosexuals blame the homosexuals for homosexuality when the genes and/or environment are predominantly provided by heterosexuals?
-- ***@gate.net, 02 Jan 1996
No One
2004-12-31 02:54:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by w***@easynews.com
On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 01:07:31 GMT, Dionisio
Post by Dionisio
Post by w***@easynews.com
Church homosexual scandal aftershocks...I know of no heterosexual
sexual behavior that has caused major financial problems and so much
human suffering as that of the behavior of homosexual Catholic priest.
If you do please post an account of it.
Oh, that's easy. One word: Divorce.
Homosexuals don't divorce? How wonderful.
Dionisio said that *divorce* among heterosexuals has caused more
financial and other problems than supposedly gay Catholic priests have
(and they don't divorce due to not marrying.) How many homosexuals
get divorces is not relevant.

But, if you want more homosexual divorces, the first step would be to
support gay marriages. You can't get a divorce if you can't get
married. :-)
Post by w***@easynews.com
Post by Dionisio
Next?
Yeah, right.
Yeah, right!
w***@easynews.com
2004-12-31 03:34:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by No One
Post by w***@easynews.com
On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 01:07:31 GMT, Dionisio
Post by Dionisio
Post by w***@easynews.com
Church homosexual scandal aftershocks...I know of no heterosexual
sexual behavior that has caused major financial problems and so much
human suffering as that of the behavior of homosexual Catholic priest.
If you do please post an account of it.
Oh, that's easy. One word: Divorce.
Homosexuals don't divorce? How wonderful.
Dionisio said that *divorce* among heterosexuals has caused more
financial and other problems than supposedly gay Catholic priests have
(and they don't divorce due to not marrying.) How many homosexuals
get divorces is not relevant.
But, if you want more homosexual divorces, the first step would be to
support gay marriages. You can't get a divorce if you can't get
married. :-)
Few homosexual males are willing to give up their life of unfettered
promiscuity and "settle down", even in those areas where homosexual
marriage is permitted. Doubt it -- Check it out.
Post by No One
Post by w***@easynews.com
Post by Dionisio
Next?
Yeah, right.
Yeah, right!
YEAH! RIGHT!
Dennis Kemmerer
2004-12-31 03:55:57 UTC
Permalink
<***@easynews.com> wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...

[snip]
Post by w***@easynews.com
Few homosexual males are willing to give up their life of unfettered
promiscuity and "settle down", even in those areas where homosexual
marriage is permitted. Doubt it -- Check it out.
I think somebody's jealous!

[snip]
w***@easynews.com
2004-12-31 04:30:44 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 19:55:57 -0800, "Dennis Kemmerer"
Post by Dennis Kemmerer
[snip]
Post by w***@easynews.com
Few homosexual males are willing to give up their life of unfettered
promiscuity and "settle down", even in those areas where homosexual
marriage is permitted. Doubt it -- Check it out.
I think somebody's jealous!
I think you have no argument and you now know that.
Post by Dennis Kemmerer
[snip]
Lars Eighner
2004-12-31 04:16:30 UTC
Permalink
In our last episode,
Post by w***@easynews.com
Few homosexual males are willing to give up their life of unfettered
promiscuity and "settle down", even in those areas where homosexual
marriage is permitted. Doubt it -- Check it out.
Well, no, you are making the claim. It it your duty to support
it with evidence, not ours to do your research for you.
--
Lars Eighner ***@io.com http://www.io.com/~eighner/
War on Terrorism: Okay, Unleash OUR Extreme Fundamentalists
"... all of them who have tried to secularize America, I point the finger in
their face and say, 'You helped this happen.'" --Jerry Falwell
w***@easynews.com
2004-12-31 04:33:48 UTC
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Post by Lars Eighner
In our last episode,
Post by w***@easynews.com
Few homosexual males are willing to give up their life of unfettered
promiscuity and "settle down", even in those areas where homosexual
marriage is permitted. Doubt it -- Check it out.
Well, no, you are making the claim. It it your duty to support
it with evidence, not ours to do your research for you.
Take it or leave it. It makes no difference to me.
L. Michael Roberts
2004-12-31 05:40:28 UTC
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Post by w***@easynews.com
Post by Lars Eighner
In our last episode,
Post by w***@easynews.com
Few homosexual males are willing to give up their life of unfettered
promiscuity and "settle down", even in those areas where homosexual
marriage is permitted. Doubt it -- Check it out.
Well, no, you are making the claim. It it your duty to support
it with evidence, not ours to do your research for you.
Take it or leave it. It makes no difference to me.
Translation: As usual, BIlly Bigot Boy has no facts, data or citations
to back up his assertions... but its not surprising as he is an abject
failure as an "artist" so you should be surprised that he is a failure
at debate.
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w***@easynews.com
2004-12-31 11:52:23 UTC
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On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 00:40:28 -0500, "L. Michael Roberts"
Post by L. Michael Roberts
Post by w***@easynews.com
Post by Lars Eighner
In our last episode,
Post by w***@easynews.com
Few homosexual males are willing to give up their life of unfettered
promiscuity and "settle down", even in those areas where homosexual
marriage is permitted. Doubt it -- Check it out.
Well, no, you are making the claim. It it your duty to support
it with evidence, not ours to do your research for you.
Take it or leave it. It makes no difference to me.
Translation: As usual, BIlly Bigot Boy has no facts, data or citations
to back up his assertions... but its not surprising as he is an abject
failure as an "artist" so you should be surprised that he is a failure
at debate.
You sound as if you have a cold, moose. You're brother stop sleeping
with you?
Dionisio
2004-12-31 17:00:44 UTC
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Post by No One
Dionisio said that *divorce* among heterosexuals has caused more
financial and other problems than supposedly gay Catholic priests have
(and they don't divorce due to not marrying.) How many homosexuals
get divorces is not relevant.
Like "Duh!"

Of course homosexual divorce is not relevant in a land where homosexuals
can't get married in the first place!

Please remember, the Usenet Operator's Manual quite clearly states:
"Engage brain, *then* engage fingers."
--
Why is it that heterosexuals blame the homosexuals for homosexuality when the genes and/or environment are predominantly provided by heterosexuals?
-- ***@gate.net, 02 Jan 1996
w***@privacy.net
2004-12-31 22:28:22 UTC
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On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 17:00:44 GMT, Dionisio
Post by Dionisio
Post by No One
Dionisio said that *divorce* among heterosexuals has caused more
financial and other problems than supposedly gay Catholic priests have
(and they don't divorce due to not marrying.) How many homosexuals
get divorces is not relevant.
Like "Duh!"
Of course homosexual divorce is not relevant in a land where homosexuals
can't get married in the first place!
How homosexual of you. I have noticed that when you homosexuals wish
to discuss homosexual marriage as a viable option you are pleased to
bring in canada, the neatherlands and that other third world country
that permits them. However when such information doesn't suite your
homosexual agenda or needs you elect to ignore it.

The Homosexual Dogma, "Lie, deny and make every effort to suppress the
truth about homosexuality." Without question you've got it down, pat,
boy.
Post by Dionisio
"Engage brain, *then* engage fingers."
You might try being honest for a change...
Dionisio
2005-01-01 02:19:03 UTC
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Post by w***@privacy.net
How homosexual of you. I have noticed that when you homosexuals wish
to discuss homosexual marriage as a viable option you are pleased to
bring in canada, the neatherlands and that other third world country
that permits them. However when such information doesn't suite your
homosexual agenda or needs you elect to ignore it.
Very well, since you're not in "only the USA matters" mode: 23%.

:-P
Post by w***@privacy.net
Post by Dionisio
"Engage brain, *then* engage fingers."
You might try being honest for a change...
No, it's right there, page 3. Right after "Thou shalt not crosspost to
irrelevant newsgroups."
--
Why is it that heterosexuals blame the homosexuals for homosexuality when the genes and/or environment are predominantly provided by heterosexuals?
-- ***@gate.net, 02 Jan 1996
Hecubus
2004-12-31 04:05:00 UTC
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Post by w***@easynews.com
Church scandal aftershocks
U.S. bishops are still accounting for the spiritual, financial and
emotional costs of the scandal of homosexual child sexual abuse by
clergy. The first national audit of Catholic dioceses found
overwhelming compliance with the church's policies on preventing and
reporting abuse and caring for victims.
But a second report by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice,
released in February, found that 4% of U.S. priests in the last
half-century had been involved in abuse. By November, the cost of
litigation, settlements and care for victims and abusers passed $772
million, a USA TODAY study showed. The dioceses of Portland, Ore.;
Spokane, Wash.; and Tucson declared bankruptcy in the face of more
lawsuits.
Church homosexual scandal aftershocks...I know of no heterosexual
sexual behavior that has caused major financial problems and so much
human suffering as that of the behavior of homosexual Catholic priest.
If you do please post an account of it.
Very interesting, except you're talking about homosexual child abuse,
not just homosexuality. There are plenty of heterosexual child abusers
in this world, yet you don't condemn all heterosexuals because some have
abused children. In the same way, you cannot logically condemn all
homosexuals because some of them abuse children.

Then again, logic obviously has no place in your thought prosess.
--
Rick

Visit the Entropy Productions homepage at
http://www.kringlecityconspiracy.com/entropy.htm
w***@easynews.com
2004-12-31 04:37:57 UTC
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Post by Hecubus
Post by w***@easynews.com
Church scandal aftershocks
U.S. bishops are still accounting for the spiritual, financial and
emotional costs of the scandal of homosexual child sexual abuse by
clergy. The first national audit of Catholic dioceses found
overwhelming compliance with the church's policies on preventing and
reporting abuse and caring for victims.
But a second report by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice,
released in February, found that 4% of U.S. priests in the last
half-century had been involved in abuse. By November, the cost of
litigation, settlements and care for victims and abusers passed $772
million, a USA TODAY study showed. The dioceses of Portland, Ore.;
Spokane, Wash.; and Tucson declared bankruptcy in the face of more
lawsuits.
Church homosexual scandal aftershocks...I know of no heterosexual
sexual behavior that has caused major financial problems and so much
human suffering as that of the behavior of homosexual Catholic priest.
If you do please post an account of it.
Very interesting, except you're talking about homosexual child abuse,
not just homosexuality. There are plenty of heterosexual child abusers
in this world, yet you don't condemn all heterosexuals because some have
abused children. In the same way, you cannot logically condemn all
homosexuals because some of them abuse children.
Then again, logic obviously has no place in your thought prosess.
The per capita rate of abuse of male children by male homosexuals is
significantly higher than that of females by heterosexuals. Of course
you would never admit that and you always try to deny or suppress the
truth. Nothing new in your offerings.
L. Michael Roberts
2004-12-31 05:45:15 UTC
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<snip>
Post by w***@easynews.com
The per capita rate of abuse of male children by male homosexuals is
significantly higher than that of females by heterosexuals.
Naturally you have a citation from the recent, mainstream,
peer-reviewed literature to back up this assertion?
Post by w***@easynews.com
Of course
you would never admit that and you always try to deny or suppress the
truth.
Well then, you can be a beacon of the truth by posting the relevant
citations to show you are correct!

<snip>
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Lars Eighner
2004-12-31 11:26:30 UTC
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In our last episode,
Post by w***@easynews.com
The per capita rate of abuse of male children by male homosexuals is
significantly higher than that of females by heterosexuals. Of course
you would never admit that and you always try to deny or suppress the
truth. Nothing new in your offerings.
What about the rate of abuse of male children by male
heterosexuals? The truth of the matter is: most of the people
who sexually abuse small children are relatively indifferent to
the sex of their victims. The reason they are attracted to
children is that they find sexual characteristics threatening.
Most of them are heterosexual in their adult relationships, if
they have any.
--
Lars Eighner ***@io.com http://www.io.com/~eighner/
We must be prepared to make heroic sacrifices for the cause of peace
that we make ungrudgingly for the cause of war.
- Albert Einstein
Jeffrey Salzberg
2004-12-31 11:29:53 UTC
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In article <***@goodwill.io.com>, ***@io.com
says...
Post by Lars Eighner
In our last episode,
Post by w***@easynews.com
The per capita rate of abuse of male children by male homosexuals is
significantly higher than that of females by heterosexuals. Of course
you would never admit that and you always try to deny or suppress the
truth. Nothing new in your offerings.
What about the rate of abuse of male children by male
heterosexuals? The truth of the matter is: most of the people
who sexually abuse small children are relatively indifferent to
the sex of their victims. The reason they are attracted to
children is that they find sexual characteristics threatening.
Most of them are heterosexual in their adult relationships, if
they have any.
Lars, don't confuse him with facts; it makes his head hurt.
w***@privacy.net
2004-12-31 11:55:14 UTC
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Post by Lars Eighner
What about the rate of abuse of male children by male
heterosexuals?
That's funny. Heterosexual homosexuals, that other orientation.
Lars Eighner
2004-12-31 14:05:19 UTC
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In our last episode,
Post by w***@privacy.net
Post by Lars Eighner
What about the rate of abuse of male children by male
heterosexuals?
That's funny. Heterosexual homosexuals, that other orientation.
Eating a carrot doesn't make a person a vegetarian, and
molesting a little child of the same sex doesn't make a person a
homosexual.
--
Lars Eighner ***@io.com http://www.io.com/~eighner/
"With a heavy dose of fear and violence, and a lot of money for projects,
I think we can convince these people that we are here to help them"
-- Lt. Col. Nathan Sassaman
dangett
2004-12-31 19:00:13 UTC
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Homosexuals often kill their sex partners as a finale. They are sick,
dangerous, filthy, evil, twisted, perverted people who need to be
removed from society.
Jeffrey Salzberg
2004-12-31 19:10:00 UTC
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In article <***@151.164.30.48>, ***@yahoo.com
says...
Post by dangett
Homosexuals often kill their sex partners as a finale.
...With about the same frequency as straight people do.
Post by dangett
They are sick,
dangerous, filthy, evil, twisted, perverted people who need to be
removed from society.
Someone's sick and dangerous, but it's you.
dangett
2004-12-31 19:14:06 UTC
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Almost all serial killers are homos:

It must be made clear that the authors of The Pink Swastika emphasize
in their book that although homosexuality was rampant throughout the
Nazi Party and at the core of its ideology, that not all homosexuals
were Nazis, and that, although it appears that the most violent
members of the Nazi Party were homosexuals, not all homosexual Nazis
perpetrated violent acts.
The following are some excerpts from the chapter "American Nazis" in
The Pink Swastika that identify similarities between the activities of
homosexual Nazis in Nazi Germany and American Nazis now. Indeed, the
chapter shows that there is a firm connection between the original
homosexual Nazis in Nazi Germany and today's homosexual Neo-Nazis in
America.

186 THE PINK SWASTIKA

….

The Stonewall Riot and "Gay" Militancy
[In New York] …Homosexual activity occurred so frequently in the
bushes of one public park the authorities

American Nazis 187

were forced to cut down the trees to stop it (Adam:85). In response
to police efforts to discourage this increasingly offensive behavior,
homosexuals began to organize to demand the "right"' to public
deviancy. Emboldened by their numbers, they began picketing
businesses such as Macy's Department Store, which had cracked down on
homosexual behavior in their rest rooms (ibid.:85).
On the evening of June 27, 1969 the "gay rights" movement
officially adopted terrorism as a means to achieve power when a surly
mob of "drag queens, dykes, street people, and bar boys" physically
attacked police officers conducting a "raid" on the Stonewall Bar on
Christopher Street in New York. Stonewall was "one of the best known
of the Mafia controlled bars" (Marotta:75) which was being closed for
selling alcohol without a license. It was also a haven for sexual
deviants. As police began to take some bar patrons in for
questioning, a mob of homosexuals gathered across the street.
Homosexualist Toby Marotta's The Politics of Homosexuality includes an
eyewitness report by a writer for the Village Voice:

[A]lmost by signal the crowd erupted into cobblestone and bottle
heaving ... The trash can I was standing on was nearly yanked out from
under me as a kid tried to grab it for use in the windowsmashing
melee. From nowhere came an uprooted parking meter—used as a
battering ram on the Stonewall door. I heard several cries of "Let's
get some gas," but the blaze of flame which soon appeared in the
window of the Stonewall [where the police officers were trapped] was
still a shock (ibid.: 72).

By morning, the Stonewall bar was a burned-out wreck, and
homosexual leaders had declared the violence a success.
Interestingly, the anniversary of this event is known today as "Gay
Pride Day" and features parades and other events most notable for
their public sex and nudity

188 THE PINK SWASTIKA


(ibid.: 158). It is ironic that the very activists who emerged from
this new militant environment developed (in 1970) the strategy of
claiming victim status through the use of the pink triangle and
commemoration of the homosexuals who were persecuted by the Nazis
(Adam: 86).
Following the Stonewall riot the Mattachine Action Committee of the
Mattachine Society's New York chapter clamored for "organized
resistance" (ibid.:81), but control of the movement was taken out of
their hands by a still more radical group of activists. These men
quickly formed the Gay Liberation Front, so titled "because it had the
same ring as National Liberation Front, the alliance formed by the
Viet Cong" (ibid.:91). At the heart of this new circle of power was
Herbert Marcuse (ibid.:88), a long time Socialist who had learned his
politics, and practiced his homosexuality, in pre-Nazi Germany.
Homosexualist historian Barry D. Adam writes,

Herbert Marcuse, who had been a youthful participant in the 1918
German revolution and had been steeped in the thinking of the life-
reform movements of the Weimar Republic, caught the attention of many
gay liberationists.
His Eros and Civilization, published in the ideological
wasteland of 1955, bridged the prewar and postwar gay movements
with its implicit vision of homosexuality as a protest "against the
repressive order of procreative sexuality" (ibid.:84).

The Stonewall riot became the new symbol of the "gay rights"
movement. In its wake, Gay Liberation Fronts sprang up across the
country, using methods of intimidation and coercion to achieve
political gains. Immediately they targeted the medical community,
whose increasing effectiveness in treating homosexual disorders
threatened the logical premise of the movement (Rueda:101ff).…

What follows then is a description of the tactics used to get the
American Psychiatric Association (APA) to declare on December 15, 1973
that homosexuality was no longer an illness.

The chapter carries on to describe a trail of gay violence that had,
except for its smaller scale, much in common with the violent tactics
and activities of the Nazi "Butch" homosexuals in Germany during the
rise to power of the Nazi Party.


210 THE PINK SWASTIKA


…

Atrocities
Fortunately, America has not experienced the wide-scale
atrocities perpetrated by the Nazis in Germany, but the actions of
certain male homosexuals in recent history are reminiscent of the
worst SS butchers. As noted in a January 21, 1984 editorial in the
New York Times, "Many

American Nazis 211


of the most violent multiple murders have been committed by homosexual
males." Clowes cites some alarming statistics showing that eight of
the top ten serial killers in the United States were homosexuals
(below) and that homosexuals were responsible for 68 percent of all
mass murders (Clowes:97). The following is a list of nine leading
homosexual serial killers, eight of which were among the top ten most
prolific killers as of 1992. Clowes' sources are listed in the text
and are reprinted from Debating the "Gay Rights" Issue:

Donald Garvey: 37 Murders ... [a] nurse's aide [who] was convicted
of 37 murders in Kentucky and Ohio. Psychologists testified that
"Harvey said he was a homosexual." The New York Times, August 20, and
August 17th, 1991.

John Wayne Gacy: 33 Murders ... [a] professed homosexual ... who
killed 33 young men and boys and buried them in his basement. The New
York Times, February 22,1980.

Patrick Wayne Kearney: 32 Murders ... The New York Times described
him as "an acknowledged homosexual" and "…perpetrator of the
'homosexual trash bag murders.'" The New York Times, July 27, 1977.

Bruce Davis: 28 murders ... killed 28 young men and boys after
having sex with them. The New York Times, January 21, 1984.

Coril, Henry and Owen: 32 Murders. Dean Coril, Elmer Wayne
Henley, and David Owen Brooks were the members of a Texas homosexual
torture/murder ring that captured and mutilated 27 young men. The New
York Times, July 27, 1974.

Juan Corona: 25 Murders...an admitted homosexual, killed 25 male
migrant workers. The New York Times,


212 THE PINK SWASTIKA


October 4, 1972.

Jeffrey Dahmer: 17 Murders ... a convicted child molester and
practicing and admitted homosexual, lured 17 young men and boys to his
apartment, had sex with them, then killed them and dismembered them.
He ate parts of his victims bodies ... Dahmer was active in "gay
rights" organizations and had participated in "gay pride" parades.
Michael C. Buelow. "Police Believe Suspect Killed 17." The Oregonian,
July 26, 1991, pages Al and A24. Also: "Relative in Dahmer Case
Sues." USA Today, August 6, 1991, page 3A. Also October 1991 Focus on
the Family Letter.

Stephen Kraft: 16 Murders ... killed at least 16 young men after
drugging, sodomizing and torturing them. Robert L. Mauro. "The
Nation's Leading Serial Killers." The Wanderer, October 31, 1991.

William Bonin: 14 Murders ... tortured and killed 14 young men ...
had sex with his victims before and after they died. Robert L. Mauro.
"Me Nation's Leading Serial Killers." The Wanderer, October 31, 1991.
(Clowes:96)

William Bonin was executed by lethal injection at California's San
Quentin prison on February 23, 1996. As reported in the Orange County
Register, February 22,1996, Bonin, the so-called "Freeway Killer,"
killed at least 21 boys and young men and dumped their bodies along
California freeways (our original source mentioned only 14). After
having been jailed in the early 1970s for raping boys, Bonin had vowed
that in the future "there will be no witnesses."
Although various stories reported that Bonin had raped men at
gunpoint in the army and had been engaged in sex with a man at the
time of his final arrest, the media failed to identify Bonin as
"gay." Standard "gay" rhetoric denies that male on male child
molestation qualifies as homosexual conduct. Here, the perpetrator
clearly was homosexual in his adult sexual relations as well, but the
"gay" label was scrupulously avoided.
.…[p. 213]
Andrealphus
2004-12-31 20:08:52 UTC
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Nonsense. This has been discredited on numerous occasions in this
newsgroup, as well as "The Pink Swastika".
--
"Only Buddhism is compatible with science. It covers the smallest
particles to the largest creations of the cosmos. It is the only
religion capable of scientific truth."

Albert Einstein
L. Michael Roberts
2005-01-01 02:25:50 UTC
Permalink
Naturally you have a citation from the recent, mainstream, peer
reviewed literature to back up this assertion?
Post by dangett
It must be made clear that the authors of The Pink Swastika emphasize
in their book that although homosexuality was rampant throughout the
Nazi Party and at the core of its ideology,
Really? I guess that is why the Nazis rounded up homos, made them wear
pink triangles, and threw them into the death camps.

<snip revisionist ravings>
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L. Michael Roberts
2005-01-01 02:22:54 UTC
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Post by w***@privacy.net
Post by Lars Eighner
What about the rate of abuse of male children by male
heterosexuals?
That's funny. Heterosexual homosexuals, that other orientation.
Well what would you call a man that marries a woman... has been married
for say 10-12 years... fathers three children... and then gets arrested
for molesting a boy?
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t***@yahoo.com
2004-12-31 13:41:34 UTC
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What a boneheaded topic. Rick is right. The abuses of the Catholic
priests and homosexuality in general have nothing to do with
homosexuality, but rather inappropriate behavior by people. There is
just as much inappropriate behavior by straight people (if not more)
than by homosexual people. (And this is coming from a married straight
guy.)

Tom
Cosmic Dawg, Legally Blond
2004-12-31 05:38:42 UTC
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Post by w***@easynews.com
Church scandal aftershocks
U.S. bishops are still accounting for the spiritual, financial and
emotional costs of the scandal of homosexual child sexual abuse by
clergy. The first national audit of Catholic dioceses found
overwhelming compliance with the church's policies on preventing and
reporting abuse and caring for victims.
But a second report by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice,
released in February, found that 4% of U.S. priests in the last
half-century had been involved in abuse. By November, the cost of
litigation, settlements and care for victims and abusers passed $772
million, a USA TODAY study showed. The dioceses of Portland, Ore.;
Spokane, Wash.; and Tucson declared bankruptcy in the face of more
lawsuits.
Church homosexual scandal aftershocks...I know of no heterosexual
sexual behavior that has caused major financial problems and so much
human suffering as that of the behavior of homosexual Catholic priest.
If you do please post an account of it.
So you must be under the delusion that there is no such thing as a
heterosexual pedophile. Get a clue asshole, this is not a homosexual
issue, it's a sexual deviancy that occurs in BOTH gay and straight
people.
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w***@easynews.net
2004-12-31 07:36:13 UTC
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On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 22:38:42 -0700, "Cosmic Dawg, Legally Blond"
Post by Cosmic Dawg, Legally Blond
Post by w***@easynews.com
Church scandal aftershocks
U.S. bishops are still accounting for the spiritual, financial and
emotional costs of the scandal of homosexual child sexual abuse by
clergy. The first national audit of Catholic dioceses found
overwhelming compliance with the church's policies on preventing and
reporting abuse and caring for victims.
But a second report by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice,
released in February, found that 4% of U.S. priests in the last
half-century had been involved in abuse. By November, the cost of
litigation, settlements and care for victims and abusers passed $772
million, a USA TODAY study showed. The dioceses of Portland, Ore.;
Spokane, Wash.; and Tucson declared bankruptcy in the face of more
lawsuits.
Church homosexual scandal aftershocks...I know of no heterosexual
sexual behavior that has caused major financial problems and so much
human suffering as that of the behavior of homosexual Catholic priest.
If you do please post an account of it.
So you must be under the delusion that there is no such thing as a
heterosexual pedophile. Get a clue asshole, this is not a homosexual
issue, it's a sexual deviancy that occurs in BOTH gay and straight
people.
The Catholic priest who sexually abuse the boys in the churches and
young men in the seminaries were homosexuals not pedophiles.
Must you homosexuals ALWAYS deny the truth about what you are?
a***@b.c
2004-12-31 07:58:22 UTC
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Post by w***@easynews.net
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 22:38:42 -0700, "Cosmic Dawg, Legally Blond"
Post by Cosmic Dawg, Legally Blond
...
So you must be under the delusion that there is no such thing as a
heterosexual pedophile. Get a clue asshole, this is not a homosexual
issue, it's a sexual deviancy that occurs in BOTH gay and straight
people.
The Catholic priest who sexually abuse the boys in the churches and
young men in the seminaries were homosexuals not pedophiles.
Must you homosexuals ALWAYS deny the truth about what you are?
Must you persist in your lies? The Catholic priests who abused boys in
their parishes are clearly Catholic priests and pedophiles, but there's
no evidence that they are homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual or even
had no interest in sex with other adults.

I'm not aware of any great scandals involving seminaries. I am on the
other hand aware of cases of male professors sexually harassing their
female students.

Try these -

This man is a homosexual.
That man is a pedophile.
Therefore all men are homosexual pedophiles,
and those who say they aren't are also liars.

That male professor sexually harasses his students.
Therefore all male professors are rapists.


I hate to be so blunt, but you seem to be rather dense.
John Savard
2004-12-31 15:18:54 UTC
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Post by a***@b.c
Must you persist in your lies? The Catholic priests who abused boys in
their parishes are clearly Catholic priests and pedophiles, but there's
no evidence that they are homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual or even
had no interest in sex with other adults.
They sexually abused boys. They did not sexually abuse girls. Those were
homosexual acts of abuse.

You _are_ correct in objecting to any claim that this reflects on
homosexuals in consensual relationships, any more than the acts of
rapists reflect on heterosexuals in general.

In general, though, our society is able to reduce the risk of sexual
abuse of children by having only female physical education instructors,
female summer camp counsellors, working with young girls, and only male
ones working with young boys.

If homosexual desire were absolutely nonexistent, homosexual acts
completely impossible, such security precautions would be 100%
effective.

John Savard
http://home.ecn.ab.ca/~jsavard/index.html
Jeffrey Salzberg
2004-12-31 09:55:29 UTC
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Post by w***@easynews.net
The Catholic priest who sexually abuse the boys in the churches and
young men in the seminaries were homosexuals not pedophiles.
Here's a hint for you: they abused children (Look up there. see? you
said so yourself). That makes them pedophiles. The fact is that 3
times as many girls are abused as boys. Pedophilia is a serious
disorder and its victims deserve a lot better than being used as grist
for your mill of hatred.
w***@easynews.net
2004-12-31 11:18:41 UTC
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Post by Jeffrey Salzberg
Post by w***@easynews.net
The Catholic priest who sexually abuse the boys in the churches and
young men in the seminaries were homosexuals not pedophiles.
Here's a hint for you: they abused children (Look up there. see? you
said so yourself). That makes them pedophiles. The fact is that 3
times as many girls are abused as boys. Pedophilia is a serious
disorder and its victims deserve a lot better than being used as grist
for your mill of hatred.
I suggest that you look up the definition of pedophile as established
the APA (you, know, the very same association that claims that
homosexuals are "normal") It's obvious that you have allowed your
alligator mouth to overload your hummingbird ass.
Jeffrey Salzberg
2004-12-31 11:28:49 UTC
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Post by Jeffrey Salzberg
Here's a hint for you: they abused children (Look up there. see? you
said so yourself). That makes them pedophiles. The fact is that 3
times as many girls are abused as boys. Pedophilia is a serious
disorder and its victims deserve a lot better than being used as grist
for your mill of hatred.
I suggest that you look up the definition of pedophile as established
the APA (you, know, the very same association that claims that
homosexuals are "normal")
"A. Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent, intense sexually
arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity
with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or
younger);
B. The person has acted on these sexual urges, or the sexual urges
or fantasies cause marked distress or interpersonal difficulty;
C. The person is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older
than the child or children in Criterion A."

The sane among us will notice that the APA criteria agree with my post
above. *You* won't, but the sane people will.
w***@easynews.net
2004-12-31 20:03:59 UTC
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Post by w***@easynews.net
Post by Jeffrey Salzberg
Here's a hint for you: they abused children (Look up there. see? you
said so yourself). That makes them pedophiles. The fact is that 3
times as many girls are abused as boys. Pedophilia is a serious
disorder and its victims deserve a lot better than being used as grist
for your mill of hatred.
I suggest that you look up the definition of pedophile as established
the APA (you, know, the very same association that claims that
homosexuals are "normal")
"A. Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent, intense sexually
arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity
with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or
younger);
Very few boy homosexually molested by the Catholic priest in the
churches were less than 13 years of age when the molesting began.
None of the young men in the seminaries were less than 16 years of
age.

Point made: What happened in the Catholic church was pure homosexual
rape of boys and young men by homosexual priest.
Post by Jeffrey Salzberg
B. The person has acted on these sexual urges, or the sexual urges
or fantasies cause marked distress or interpersonal difficulty;
C. The person is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older
than the child or children in Criterion A."
The sane among us will notice that the APA criteria agree with my post
above. *You* won't, but the sane people will.
The truthful will see that you are trying frantically to deny and/or
suppress the truth about homosexuals and their propensity
for sexual abuse of male children.

Give it up! You've lost...
Phyl
2004-12-31 22:28:06 UTC
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Post by w***@easynews.net
Post by Jeffrey Salzberg
Post by w***@easynews.net
Post by Jeffrey Salzberg
Here's a hint for you: they abused children (Look up there. see? you
said so yourself). That makes them pedophiles. The fact is that 3
times as many girls are abused as boys. Pedophilia is a serious
disorder and its victims deserve a lot better than being used as grist
for your mill of hatred.
I suggest that you look up the definition of pedophile as established
the APA (you, know, the very same association that claims that
homosexuals are "normal")
"A. Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent, intense sexually
arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity
with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or
younger);
Very few boy homosexually molested by the Catholic priest in the
churches were less than 13 years of age when the molesting began.
None of the young men in the seminaries were less than 16 years of
age.
Point made: What happened in the Catholic church was pure homosexual
rape of boys and young men by homosexual priest.
I think it was Catholic rape of Catholic boys. Right?
--
Phyl

Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired,
signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not
fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.
--- President Dwight D. Eisenhower
Richard
2004-12-31 14:08:04 UTC
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On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 22:38:42 -0700, "Cosmic Dawg, Legally Blond"
Post by Cosmic Dawg, Legally Blond
Post by w***@easynews.com
Church scandal aftershocks
U.S. bishops are still accounting for the spiritual, financial and
emotional costs of the scandal of homosexual child sexual abuse by
clergy. The first national audit of Catholic dioceses found
overwhelming compliance with the church's policies on preventing and
reporting abuse and caring for victims.
But a second report by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice,
released in February, found that 4% of U.S. priests in the last
half-century had been involved in abuse. By November, the cost of
litigation, settlements and care for victims and abusers passed $772
million, a USA TODAY study showed. The dioceses of Portland, Ore.;
Spokane, Wash.; and Tucson declared bankruptcy in the face of more
lawsuits.
Church homosexual scandal aftershocks...I know of no heterosexual
sexual behavior that has caused major financial problems and so much
human suffering as that of the behavior of homosexual Catholic priest.
If you do please post an account of it.
So you must be under the delusion that there is no such thing as a
heterosexual pedophile. Get a clue asshole, this is not a homosexual
issue, it's a sexual deviancy that occurs in BOTH gay and straight
people.
The Catholic priest who sexually abuse the boys in the churches and
young men in the seminaries were homosexuals not pedophiles.
Must you homosexuals ALWAYS deny the truth about what you are?
You are an asshole, a moron, and a homophobe. Therefore, all homophobes
are assholes and morons.
Jeffrey Salzberg
2004-12-31 14:33:17 UTC
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Post by w***@easynews.net
The Catholic priest who sexually abuse the boys in the churches and
young men in the seminaries were homosexuals not pedophiles.
Must you homosexuals ALWAYS deny the truth about what you are?
You are an asshole, a moron, and a homophobe. Therefore, all homophobes
are assholes and morons.
Bad example, since all homophobes *are* assholes and morons...although
not just because wbt is one.
Andrealphus
2004-12-31 14:36:05 UTC
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Post by Jeffrey Salzberg
Post by Richard
Post by w***@easynews.net
The Catholic priest who sexually abuse the boys in the churches and
young men in the seminaries were homosexuals not pedophiles.
Must you homosexuals ALWAYS deny the truth about what you are?
You are an asshole, a moron, and a homophobe. Therefore, all
homophobes are assholes and morons.
Bad example, since all homophobes *are* assholes and morons...although
not just because wbt is one.
Just like prerequisites in college... In order to take homophobis 110,
first you have to have assholery 101, and moronic indoctrination 103....
--
"Only Buddhism is compatible with science. It covers the smallest
particles to the largest creations of the cosmos. It is the only
religion capable of scientific truth."

Albert Einstein
Ralph Nooder
2004-12-31 20:52:17 UTC
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What harm does homosexuality do
tearing the membranes in the anus
Andrealphus
2004-12-31 21:06:46 UTC
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Post by Ralph Nooder
What harm does homosexuality do
tearing the membranes in the anus
You named the harm that anal sex does. It's the same harm done no matter
what the sexuality of the participants happens to be. Now, what harm does
homosexuality do?
--
"Only Buddhism is compatible with science. It covers the smallest
particles to the largest creations of the cosmos. It is the only
religion capable of scientific truth."

Albert Einstein
L. Michael Roberts
2005-01-01 02:30:09 UTC
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Post by Ralph Nooder
What harm does homosexuality do
tearing the membranes in the anus
Does this also apply to the vast majority of people who engage in anal
sex... HETEROSEXUALS? And what about lesbians [female homosexuals] who
generally do not have anal sex?
--
+==================== L. Michael Roberts ======================+
This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
Goderich, Ont, Canada. To reply, post a request for my valid E-mail
"Life is a sexually transmitted, terminal, condition"
+================================================================+
w***@easynews.com
2005-01-02 05:08:54 UTC
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The problem with the churches is that religion outlaws homosexuality.
So in a family setting
when a child realizes he is a homosexual or parents realize they have
produced a homosexual offspring,
they are encouraged to go into the church because it is safe and
churches have always needed priests
...and what planet do you post from?
occupant
2005-01-02 06:42:52 UTC
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Post by w***@easynews.com
The problem with the churches is that religion outlaws homosexuality.
So in a family setting
when a child realizes he is a homosexual or parents realize they have
produced a homosexual offspring,
they are encouraged to go into the church because it is safe and
churches have always needed priests
...and what planet do you post from?
Why, I come from planet earth and as a young lad and even as an adult
learned of such men going into the church. It makes perfect sense.
What else could a homosexual do in the context of a very religous
upbringing? There are those, of course, who didin't go into the church,
although very religious and got very close to young men, touching by
hugging but never in a sexual way because that is forbidden by their
church and their religion, but nonetheless, got a keen interest in young
men, not women, and that is the life they live. Sort of on the very
edge but not sinning in the context of their religion.

I live a dull life. I would be interested in your observations of
homosexuals from very religious families and what they do? Obviously,
not all become priests, but are you saying none of the homosexuals from
the very religious families you know became priests? Not my experience.

Appreciate, too, this is over a 40 year period. Today with gay
liberation, it may be that none of the homosexuals from very religious
families go into being priests, but knowing family pressures, I doubt
most Catholics would be pleased to learn that their son is gay and has
taken a lover in the city as opposed to learning that their loving son
has become a priest and serves God and the church and that is the end of
the public story. The rest is the secrecy of the son.

I think you have to really look at it from a parents' point of view.
Parents do influence children.

Most non-religious homosexuals don't get stuck when they discover they
are homosexual.
They may pretend to be heterosxual and take a wife, with or without
indulging in men on the side.
The may take a male lover and live as a gay couple.
They may joint the priesthood and live a good life behind closed doors.
They may remain in the closet.

Religious homosexuals have a much more difficult time.
They may take a wife and pretend they are heterosexual
for the ease of their religious beliefs.
The may live a double life, one of church and family and the other life
of secret male encounters.
They may give up their religious beliefs, something that is usually
terribly, terribly difficult to do because their religious beliefs have
been the cornerstone or the foundation of their life since they were
born - and adopt a gay lifestyle in keeping with their sexuality.

I am sure you, too, come from the planet earth but I am not sure what
observations you have made of homosexuals both active and not active in
the context of religious beliefs, and even priests, brothers in the
religious sense. While paritions see them in their robes at church,
these indiviuals have vastly different lives outside the view of
paritioners.

If you think about it, small towns or big cities, like judges, most
people don't see priests socializing. Priests/brothers may attend
community events, be seen shopping but in the social sense they are not
seen and that is the key to what I am saying that they are like judges,
they live outside public view.
w***@pricacy.net
2005-01-02 23:39:09 UTC
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Post by occupant
Post by w***@easynews.com
The problem with the churches is that religion outlaws homosexuality.
So in a family setting
when a child realizes he is a homosexual or parents realize they have
produced a homosexual offspring,
they are encouraged to go into the church because it is safe and
churches have always needed priests
...and what planet do you post from?
Why, I come from planet earth and as a young lad and even as an adult
learned of such men going into the church. It makes perfect sense.
What else could a homosexual do in the context of a very religous
upbringing? There are those, of course, who didin't go into the church,
although very religious and got very close to young men, touching by
hugging but never in a sexual way because that is forbidden by their
church and their religion, but nonetheless, got a keen interest in young
men, not women, and that is the life they live. Sort of on the very
edge but not sinning in the context of their religion.
I live a dull life. I would be interested in your observations of
homosexuals from very religious families and what they do? Obviously,
not all become priests, but are you saying none of the homosexuals from
the very religious families you know became priests?
Homosexuals don't associate themselves with religion, a majority are
atheist. Their only motivation for taking on any of the trappings are
purely self serving and sexual, i.e, the recent revelation of
homosexual priest in the Catholic church. They could not have been
truly religious because they knew that their behavior was looked on as
a sin by THEIR religion. Not only where they harmful in their sexual
behavior in abusing boys and young men but they were also
dishonorable.
occupant
2005-01-03 01:52:20 UTC
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On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 06:42:52 GMT, occupant
Post by occupant
Post by w***@easynews.com
The problem with the churches is that religion outlaws homosexuality.
So in a family setting
when a child realizes he is a homosexual or parents realize they have
produced a homosexual offspring,
they are encouraged to go into the church because it is safe and
churches have always needed priests
...and what planet do you post from?
Why, I come from planet earth and as a young lad and even as an adult
learned of such men going into the church. It makes perfect sense.
What else could a homosexual do in the context of a very religous
upbringing? There are those, of course, who didin't go into the church,
although very religious and got very close to young men, touching by
hugging but never in a sexual way because that is forbidden by their
church and their religion, but nonetheless, got a keen interest in young
men, not women, and that is the life they live. Sort of on the very
edge but not sinning in the context of their religion.
I live a dull life. I would be interested in your observations of
homosexuals from very religious families and what they do? Obviously,
not all become priests, but are you saying none of the homosexuals from
the very religious families you know became priests?
Homosexuals don't associate themselves with religion, a majority are
atheist.
Your view, but I think it is incorrect and unreasonable to make such a
statement in the absence of any supporting statistics.

Their only motivation for taking on any of the trappings are
Post by w***@pricacy.net
purely self serving and sexual, i.e, the recent revelation of
homosexual priest in the Catholic church.
Some may. But not so or true for others. There are lots of
heterosexuals who
use their religious community as a client base and that is equally
self-serving.
It is very much an individual thing regardless of sexuality.
Post by w***@pricacy.net
They could not have been
truly religious because they knew that their behavior was looked on as
a sin by THEIR religion.
Well, that depends on what chapter and verse you have in mind that
specifically refers to
homosexuality as a sin. From my limited knowledge of the Bible, it
doesn't refer to homosexuality and worse
there are many translations from the original works which causes even
more accuracy of translation problems.
Post by w***@pricacy.net
Not only where they harmful in their sexual
behavior in abusing boys and young men but they were also
dishonorable.
Specifically anyone in authority from older sibling or parent to priests
or police who abuse boys and young men in a sexual way is
illegal/criminal and dishonourable.
r***@my-deja.com
2005-01-03 15:27:27 UTC
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It's pedophilia, not homosexuality, that the bishops were/are engaged
in. So no, homosexuality in itself does no harm.
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