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This is a list of serial killers who were homosexuals. This list is intended
for reference purposes only and does not imply a causal relationship between
homosexuality and serial killing.
Serial killers and their victims include people from all races, cultures,
nationalities, economic background, educational levels, genders, and sexual
orientations. Because serial killers are so rare, it is impossible to use
any demographic indicator as a predictor.




Gay/Homosexual Serial Killers (Male)
Name # of People
Killed Year Killer's Home Location of Murders Notes
Gilles de Rais 300+ 1430s France France associate of Joan of Arc
Randy Steven Kraft 65 (est.) 1971 to 1983 Oregon, Michigan, etc.
"Score Card Killer"
Michael Swango 35 - 60 1983-97 Ohio, Illinois, New York, South
Dakota, Virginia "Doctor of Death" -- killed hospital patients
Andrei Chikatilo 52 until 1992 Russia Russia
Fritz Haarmann 40 (est.) until 1924 Germany Germany "Butcher Of
Hanover"
John Wayne Gacy 33 until 1978 Chicago Chicago
Patrick Wayne Kearney 28+ 1968 to 1977 Redondo Beach, Calif. gay
cruising areas of Hollywood; "Trash Bag Killer"
David D. Hill 28? 1968 to 1977 Redondo Beach, Calif. Hollywood Patrick
Kearney's lover; confessed to being co-killer with Kearney, but police
weren't sure about the extent of his involvement
Hans Grans 27+ until 1924 Germany Germany accommplice and love of
Haarmann, the "Butcher Of Hanover"
Wayne Williams 27 1979-81 Atlanta Atlanta
Dean Corll 27 1960s to 1973 Ft. Wayne, Indiana; later Houston, TX
Houston, Texas
Elmer Wayne Henley 27 1960s to 1973 Ft. Wayne, Indiana; later Houston,
TX Houston, Texas
David Owen Brooks 27 1960s to 1973 Ft. Wayne, Indiana; later Houston,
TX Houston, Texas
Donald Harvey 25 - 40 (est.) 1970-71 London, Kentucky Kentucky
Juan Corona 25 1971 From Mexico; moved to Yuba City, CA in 1950s Yuba
City, Calif.
Norman Afzal Simons 21 (est.) 1986-1994 Capetown, South Africa South
Africa victims were mixed-race boys; believed to be the "Station Strangler"
Adolfo de Jesus Constanzo 21 (est.) until 1989 Matamoros, Mexico
Matamoros, Mexico "Matamoros Cult Killer"
Carl Panzram 21 1910-1930 Warren, Minnesota USA, West Africa
Larry Eyler 19 1980s Chicago Illinois and Indiana
Jeffrey Dahmer 17 1978, 1988-91 Milwaukee Milwaukee and Chicago
cannibal
Robert Berdella ? until 1988 Kansas City Kansas
Dennis Nilsen 16 1978-83 U.K. U.K.
Marcelo Costa de Andrade 14 until 1991 Rio de Janeiro, Brazil Rio de
Janeiro, Brazil
William Bonin 12+ 1979-80 Downey, Orange County, Calif. Orange County,
Calif.
Henry Lee Lucas 12+ 1970s and 80s Most in Texas, Southeastern U.S.
Ottis Toole 12+ 1970s and 80s West Coast, Florida, etc. accomplice of
Henry Lee Lucas
Bruce Lee 12 1980 England England (NOT the famous actor.) Killed
victims by arson.
Johannes Mashiane 12 until 1989 South Africa South Africa "The Beast
of Atteridgeville"
Vaughn Greenwood 11+ 1974-75 Los Angeles Los Angeles
Thomas Quick 10+ Sweden Sweden Started killing when he was 14 years
old.
Richard Speck 8+ 1966 Chicago Chicago married, bisexual
Peter Kurten 8+ 1905-1921 Germany Germany "The Vampire of Dusseldorf"
Alton Coleman 8 1984 Midwestern U.S.
Cayetano Hernandez 8 1963 Yerba Buena, Mexico Mexico
Eleazor Solis 8 1963 Monterey, Mexico Mexico
David Bullock 6+ 1981-82 New York City New York
Vernon Butts 6+ 1979-80 Calif. Orange County, Calif. accomplice of
William Bonin
Paul Bateson 6 ? (est.) 1977-78 New York City New York City
Albert Fish ? until 1936 USA child molester and canibal
Michael Terry 6 1980-86 Atlanta Georgia, Ohio, South Carolina
Orville Lynn Majors 6 Indiana Vermillion County Hospital, Indiana
Charles Cohen 5+ Delaware Delaware, San Francisco, New York, Miami,
and New Orleans
Andrew Cunanan 5 1997 San Diego, Calif. Minnesota; Chicago, IL; South
Beach, FL killed fashion designer Gianni Versace
Michael Lupo 4+ 1986 from Italy London
Peter Moore 4 1995 north Wales north Wales
Westley Allan Dodd 3+ Washingon Washington, Oregon
David P. Brown
(a.k.a. Nathaniel Bar-Jonah) 3+ 2000 Massachusetts Montana victims
were young boys
Bruce Davis 2+ 1968-72 Los Angeles Charles Manson accomplice




Serial Killers who were Lesbians
Name # of People
Killed Year Killer's Home Location of Murders Notes
Magdalena Solis 8 1963 Monterey, Mexico Mexico
Aileen Wuornos 7+ 1989-90 south of Daytona, Florida Florida killed
male "johns"
Tyria Moore 7+ 1989-90 south of Daytona, Florida Florida killed male
"johns"
Catherine Wood 6 Grand Rapids, MI Grand Rapids, MI nurse who killed
patients
Gwen Graham 6 Grand Rapids, MI Grand Rapids, MI nurse who killed
patients



Although incidents of serial killing are widely reported in the media
because of the heinous and unusual nature of these crimes, there are
actually very few serial killers relative to the general population.
Research into this phenomenon is ongoing, and a small industry has sprung up
around the practice of "profiling" serial killers in order to assist in
their apprehension. But, law enforcement officials agree that each serial
killer is unique. Society does not currently have sufficient knowledge to
predict serial killing before it occurs and thus prevent it from happening.
As stated above, serial killers and their victims include people from all
races, cultures, nationalities, economic background, educational levels,
genders, and sexual orientations. Because serial killers are so rare, it is
impossible to use any demographic indicator as a predictor. There are no
"rules" and all apparent trends have been broken. But some general
observations can be made.

Serial killers are nearly always men (93%). Furthermore, of the relatively
few female serial killers, one third of them worked in partnership with
males.

In the United States, serial killers are predominantly white. This makes
sense statistically, because about 80% of the population is white. Whites,
however, are over-represented among serial killers. Although blacks are
over-represented among the persons convicted of murder in general, they are
under-represented among serial killers. Asians are also under-represented;
Asian serial-killers are extremely rare in the United States.

Although the proportion of serial killers who are known to have had
homosexual experience is high (43%), the total number of serial killers is
too small to make statistically relevant statements about whether
homosexuals are over- or under-represented among serial killers.

Also, it should be noted that many of the homosexual serial killers on this
list were not active members of the Gay & Lesbian cultural community. Some
homosexual serial killers were openly gay or lesbian. Some were closeted
homosexuals.

Many of the most famous gay serial killers (e.g., Jeffrey Dahmer, Andrew
Cunanan, John Wayne Gacy, etc.) were homosexuals, but they became widely
known due to the nature of their crimes or the identities of their victims,
not because they in any way represent serial killers generally.

Given that the only between 1.5 and 3% of adults are homosexuals, there
would not need to be very many homosexuals among the total number of serial
killers for them to be over-represented. But with such small overall
numbers, and with no universally agreed upon definition of a homosexual, it
would be impossible to determine the relative frequency of homosexuals among
serial killers. Unlike gender and race (clearly ascertainable), there are no
physical or genetic tests for sexual orientation. It can only be determined
by behavior and self-identification.

Some serial killers engaged in sex with both males and females, which would
prompt some people to classify them as bisexuals. Some might classify their
status as a variant of homosexuality, a distinct classification, or
repressed homosexuality. Scientists and the GLBT community remain split over
the legitimacy and prevalence of "bisexuality." Some people believe it is
mostly non-existent, that ostensibly bisexual behavior is actually the
result of societal influence on homosexual individuals. Others believe that
bisexuality is the inherent normal sexual preference for all or nearly all
human beings, and that non-bisexual behavior is caused by societal
influence. Some believe that all or nearly all women are inherently
bisexual, but very few men are. Other people believe that bisexuality is a
distinct sexual identity. There is no physical evidence to support any of
these positions. Such distinctions are well beyond the scope of this list.
Suffice it say, all of the individuals listed here as "homosexual serial
killers" can be classified as homosexual in the generally used technical
sense. That is, they are individuals who initiate sex with somebody of the
same gender. (This is not necessarily the same thing as being Gay or
Lesbian. Nor is it the only possible definition of "homosexual." An
alternative to this behaviorally-based definition is one based on
self-described "orientation" or "preference.")

Homosexual serial killers have most frequently chosen young boys or gay men
as their victims, although some have victimized females as well. Most of the
killers have raped their victims either before or after killing them,
although in some cases they have killed after consensual homosexual sex.
There have been heterosexual serial killers who have targeted gay victims
(e.g., Colin Ireland), but this is very rare.

But more importantly, none of the serial killers listed here represent
typical homosexuals, who, like the general population, are almost never
involved in violent crime. The exact nature of each individual's feelings,
attitudes, and behavior with regards to sex is unique, in the general
population as well as among serial killers. Legally, all or nearly all of
the homosexual serial killers on this list would be considered sexual
deviants because of the extreme and violent nature of their acts -- not
simply because of their homosexual orientation. It must be emphasized that
violent sexual deviancy is exhibited by heterosexual serial killers as well.



Links

a.. Homosexual Serial Murder Investigation, by Vernon J. Geberth, M.S.,
M.P.S.

b.. Violence and Homosexuality - by Dr. Paul Cameron
c.. The aetiology of serial murder: towards an integrated model, by Edward
W. Mitchell, B.A. Hons, M.Phil. (University of Cambridge, UK). Includes
section on "Gender identity disorder, homosexuality, and sexual dysfunction"

d.. The process of criminal profiling as it pertains to serial killers, by
Susan Jones, Youngstown State University

e.. Gay and Lesbian Murderers from 1920s to Present - by Lori Weiner


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Evaluating a psychological profile of a serial killer (Updated)

* Editors Note *
Many thanks are extended to Robert Beattie (Attorney and counselor at
Friends University Wichita, Kansas) for contributing oppinions which have
lead to corrections within this document (Blue Text).



Murder has been illustrated as "the unlawful killing of a human being by
another" (Oxford dictionary, 1997, p.742). The definition of Serial
killings on the other hand, is not so simple to define, for it takes on
many different forms, and is brought on by many different states of mind.
Holmes and De Burger (1988) have attempted to define serial murder as
consisting of repetitive killings which are one-on-one with rare
exceptions, where the relationship between the victim and the offender is
that of a stranger or slight acquaintance, and the motivation to kill and
apparent motives are lacking (p.138). As we will see, this is not an
extremely accurate description, because the motivation and motives are not
lacking at all, but are just shrouded. Rarely do any of these killers act
for money, instead they do it for the thrill, sexual satisfaction and/or
dominance they achieve in their own world.
A more specific profile of a serial killer has been presented by Apsche
(1993) stating that most are white males in their twenties or thirties,
who target strangers near their homes or places of work. "According to
criminologist Eric Hickey, who has assembled the most extensive database
on demography of serial murder states that, 88% of serial killers are
male, 85% are Caucasian, and the average age when they claim their first
victim is usually around 28.5. In terms of victim selection, 62% of the
killers target strangers exclusively, and another 22% kill at least one
stranger. Finally, 71% of the killers operate in a specific location or
area, rather than traveling wide distances to commit their crimes"(Apsche,
1993, p.16). Also, the F.B.I claims that to be classified as a serial
killer, the person must first complete 3 separate murders, that are spaced
by a duration they call "the cooling off period" which can vary from a few
days to years. But one thing that very few definitions include is that for
a killer to be known as a "serial Killer", they must have a particular
method to their killings. For instance, Wayne Gacy, had the trade mark of
gagging victims with their own underwear so that they would die in their
own vomit.

To discover what makes a serial killer function, it is necessary to look
back into their past, particularly their adolescent life. By looking at
many and varied cases, it is evident that virtually all serial killers
come from dysfunctional backgrounds involving sexual or physical abuse,
drugs or alcoholism and their related problems. Many traits that seem to
be universal in all these serial killers, though in varied amounts,
include disorganised thinking, bipolar mode disorders, a feeling of
resentment towards society brought on by their own failings, sexual
frustrations, an inability to be social or socially accepted, over bearing
parents and a wild imagination that tends to drag them into a fantasy
world. In a chart of serial killer - childhood development characteristics
- created by Ressler, Burgers and Douglas (1990), the three most
frequently reported behaviors included day dreaming, compulsive
masturbation, and isolation.

The daydreaming, which is brought on by an over productive imagination,
tends to lead the way into the general fantasy world that the serial
killer begins to live in to protect himself from any isolation he is faced
with. At an early age, if a child is left alone, or forced to live in
isolation whereby little attention is given to them for long periods of
time, their minds become the object of their company, and thus begin the
daydreams and the fantasy world (Ressler, Douglas and Burgess, 1990).This
kind of isolation tends to breed feelings of inadequacy in some way or
other in all serial killers. These feelings maybe masked by numerous
artificial successes, but these feelings run deeper than the normal
neurotic feelings of not being good enough. Essentially, these early life
attachments which are known as Œbonding¹, set up a map by which the child
will in later life react to others. In such cases, the children do not
learn how to interact properly within their society, and at best, turn
into mirror images of their isolators. A prime example of this can be seen
in the case of Ed Kemper, whose mother condemned him to the basement of
their home at the tender age of ten in fear that he would molest his
younger sister (though he had not given his mother any reason to think
this). Confused and angry as to why he was suffering this punishment, he
turned to his fantasies, which may have started out as Œnormal¹, but with
the continued isolation they quickly became his dominant world.

At this point, it is important to acknowledge that the majority of all
daydreamers will not find themselves turning into murderers in later
years; and so too, not all fantasy life is pathological. In fact,
ordinary, healthy human beings often dream about their hopes and
pleasures, even those that are beyond their reach. "Some of these
fantasies may include such deviant and bizarre sexual practices as
fetishes, pedophilia, bondage, and rapeŠBecause of their strong sense of
conscience or concern over their public image, most will resist
translating their desires into action" (Ressler, Douglas and Burgess,
1990). Detailed, ongoing research by the F.B.I shows that many convicted
serial killers enact their crimes because of the incredibly rich, detailed
and elaborate violent fantasies (including the act of murder) that have
developed in their minds as early as the age of seven and eight. What
distinguishes killers from Œnormal¹ civilians is that the aggressive day
dreams that have been developed as children, continue to develop and
expand through their adolescence right into manhood, where they are
finally released into the real world (Wilson & Seamen, 1992). Through the
use of murder and mayhem, the serial killer literally chases his dream.
With each successive victim, he attempts to fine tune the act, striving to
make his real life experiences as perfect as his fantasy (Apsche, 1993).

David Berkowitz, known as "The son of Sam", is a typical example of an
average serial killer, and quiet normal in comparison to his other
counterparts who have been known to eat their victims. From the years of
1976 through to 1977, he set out his reign of terror in New York City, by
shooting over ten lovers who were parked in secluded areas. Upon being
interviewed by John Douglas (a member of the F.B.I) at Attica State
Prison, it was discovered that Berkowitz came from an adopted home, and
upon discovering his real mother, was told by her that he wasn¹t wanted.
Originally being shy, insecure, and angry, he blossomed into a potential
killer. He procured a large and powerful weapon, which in turn made him
feel bigger and more powerful, and set about unknowingly to obtain revenge
for what his mother had done to him.

In most cases, there is an event known as the "Pre-crime stresser", as
discussed by Ressler, Burgess, and Douglas (1990). The pre-crime stresser
can be looked at as the reason for why the person turns to killing as a
form of release, even if the criminal does not realise the full extent of
his motivations or fails to see the reasons behind the stress he feels. A
clear example of this can be seen upon the questioning of Berkowitz who
denied he had anything against women, nor did he have reason as to why he
killed so many. In actually fact, his mother¹s rejection was the stresser
that ultimately turned him violent. He did not attack his mother directly
(few serial killers ever attack the source of their resentment), but the
majority of his killings where based on women who had a likeness to his
mother.

Serial killers come in many different varieties. One which is driven by
the desire to be acknowledged and feared is the "copy cat". As described
by John Douglas (1996), they basically set out copying the actions of
previously Œfamous¹ serial killers who struck terror into people¹s hearts.
For example, in Wichita Kansas, the BTK strangler (Bind, Torture, Kill),
has been said to have attempted following in the footsteps of Berkowitz.
This particular issue has been much debated, with some people arguing that
the BTK incidences took place prior to any of Berkowitz's. As to the
accuracy of this concept, it is debatable, particular when evidence
suggests that the BTK activities continued up until 1979, though the
murders where said to have ended during 1977. It is not so much the
celebrity statues that they so enjoy, but instead the ability to control
the lives of thousands of area residents, who are held in their grip of
terror. "Psychologically the thrill-motivated killer tends to be a
sociopath, someone with a disorder of character rather than the mind. He
lacks a conscience, feels no remorse, and cares exclusively for his own
pleasures in lifeŠIt has been estimated that 3% of all males in our
society could be considered sociopathic" (Fox & Levin, 1994, p.18).

Society generally is quick to place tags on serial killers. Many believe
that they are psychotics who hear voices or see visual hallucinations, but
this is a misconception as explained by John Douglas (1996). Most are not
at all psychotics who have lost touch with reality, but instead
psychopaths who are suffering from chronic mental disorders with violent
or abnormal social behaviors. Only a small hand full, like Richard Trenton
who believed he needed to drink other people¹s blood to stay alive, are
actually psychotics. And this group is so disorganised in its crimes that
it is generally apprehended quite quickly.

One of the most hideous serial killers would undoubtedly have to be the
sexual killer. Many specialists, including Douglas (1996) have agreed that
the most crucial factor in the development of the serial rapist or killer
is the role of fantasy. It has been suggested that the escalation from
fantasy to reality in these instances, can be attributed to pornography.
In response I would tend to agree, for pornography tends to build on the
natural inner desires that exist within us all. The desire to have sexual
intercourse is dominant in all males. The action of penetration brings on
a sense of triumph and conquest . The only difference here is that these
killers have not had the opportunity to learn intimacy due to childhood
restraints, and they substitute intimacy with control (which they obtain
by inflicting bodily harm to the other(the equivalent to the penetrating
conquest) to counteract their inner desires for a mate. As Dr. Richard G.
Rappart, a forensic psychiatrist, writes that the mode of death is one
where factors indicate that the victim has meaning to the killer and that
the intimacy of the murderous act is part of a close bond between himself
and the victim formed in the killers fantasy and delusions. A study by
Samuel Yochelson and Stanton Samenow (1988) pointed out that a high
proportion of serial killers are Œhighly sexed¹ in childhood, and have
been known to look into bathrooms through keyholes on females undressing,
or initiated sexual games - sometimes amounting to rape - with girls at
school.

As Jack Apsche (1993) makes clear, serial murderers see themselves as
dominant, controlling and powerful figures. They hold the power of life
and death, and in their own eyes, they perceive themselves as God. In
their fantasies and their enactment of the murder, they become God. This
is actually probably the only power they have ever had, and for this
reason they savor and continue to persist. As B.F Skinner proved in
ŒScience and Human Behavior¹, once a killer has tasted the success of a
kill, and is not apprehended, it will ultimately mean he will strike
again. He put it simply, that once something good has happened, something
that made the killer feel good, and powerful, then they will not hesitate
to try it again. The first attempt may leave them with a feeling of fear,
revulsion and remorse, as stated by Ted Bundy to psychologists on the eve
of his execution in 1989; but at the same time, it is like an addictive
drug. Some killers revisit the crime scene or take trophies, such as
jewelry or body parts, or video tape the scenario so as to be able to
re-live the actual feeling of power at a latter date. Many have been
reported as saying that they had fallen into the power of the devil after
several kills, which is contradictory to their initial beliefs that they
were God. It is almost as though initially they believed that they would
be powerful in that they had the choice in taking or sparing life, but as
time progresses, and the kills mount up, they find they are driven to kill
as though they have no choice. Apsche (1993) has noted that many killers
have attempted to get help when they discovered they had little control.
They appear to want to stop their actions, but regain control to avoid
their discovery. This is possibly an example of a bipolar personality
clash.

Ultimately, it is virtually impossible to detect a serial killer. Many
seem to be quiet normal in their everyday lives, only some actually tend
to act differently to the general population. Many have stated that it is
easy to fool society, especially psychiatrists, by simply stating what
they want to hear. Nor is there any way of detecting for certain who might
become a homicidal maniac. But by comparing many past cases it is possible
to put together a list of general personality traits that are common in
serial killers, and that may prove useful in determining future killers.
The F.B.I has its own list, but due to its unavailability I have prepared
my own. Traits that should be looked at when trying to decide if a person
is a potential killer include: Social withdrawal, abnormal dependence¹s on
ones mother or ulcerated relations with ones parents, hypochondria or
other attention seeking behavior including forms of clothing, delusional
mind as to grandeur, severe depression, a general feeling of emptiness as
to the future, inability to take criticisms, a general feeling of being
mistreated, inability to assert ones self, parental taunts as to ones
inability to be sufficient (or as I prefer to call it - the Hitchcock
ŒPsycho¹ syndrome), mood disorders, and a general failing in attempts to
succeed. Of course these are very general points, and even if someone had
the majority of these (as I do), it would not necessarily mean that they
would become serial killers, it is only meant as a point of reference.

As Freud once commented, a child would destroy the world if it had the
power. In a sense the serial killer¹s mind can be contrasted to that of a
child¹s for it has not had the opportunity to develop to that of a
Œnormal¹ adult. Instead, fantasy takes the place of reality, and it is
almost always solely based on acquiring power. A majority of serial
killings might have been avoided if the killers had been better treated in
their youth. But then again, there is no concrete evidence that suggests
this to be true. In all actual fact, most of the conclusions that have
been made on serial killers are only speculations based on observations
and interrogations of the subjects. But to be realistic, can we really
trust anything that may come from the equivalent of a child¹s mind filled
with falsities created through fantasy?

References

Apsche, J. (1993). Probing the mind of a serial killer. International
information Associates.
Douglas, J., (1996). MindHunter. Mandarine Publishing
Fox, J.A., & Levin, J., (1994). OverKill - Mass Murder and Serial Killing
Exposed. Plenum Press
Hughes, J.M. (Ed.).(1997). Oxford Concise Australian Dictionary (2nd ed.).
Melbourne: Oxford University Press
Ressler, R.K., Burgess, A.W. & Douglas, J.E., (1990). Sexual Homicide
patterns and Motives. Lexington Books
Wilson, C., & Seamen, D., (1992). The Serial Killer. Carol Publishing¹s
Yochelsen, S. & Samenow, S. (1988). The criminal personality. New York Press

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Dionisio
2004-05-22 22:54:47 UTC
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Post by jaonajames
This is a list of serial killers who were homosexuals.
This again?

Boston Strangler (serial killer of women and married, stuck
broom stick up dead woman's vagina)

Ted Bundy (serial killer of women, very intelligent and was a
necrophile-killed many)

Richard Ramirez (serial killer and rapist)

Richard Chase
(disorganized serial killer, drank victims blood and perforated
woman's anus with knife and shit in her mouth)

Richard Speck (a mass murderer, raped and killed several nurses and
perforated Ms. Davies anus with a knife before killing her)

Chenko (the most prolific documented lone serial killer in history. Was
Russian and married. Indiscriminate in who he killed-allegedly
500 victims.)

Edmund Kemper (killed coed women and his mother,
chopped his mother's head off and had intercourse with headless
corpse)

And there are many, many more serial killers whose victims were
primarily, if not exclusively, female. To suggest serial killers are
primarily homosexual is false. Most, however, are disturbed in their
sexuality. Quit trying to scapegoat homosexuals by painting them as
serial killers. Nobody with half a brain buys that. Some serial killers
are victim of the madonna-whore complex and a woman is either pure or
dirty. Some of these serial killers are married and they seek out
prostitutes to rape and murder.

H. H. Holmes. Kills: 200+. "House of Horrors" killer, and obviously
heterosexual.

"Pee Wee" Gaskin (100+): Although raped in prison, Pee Wee was obviously
not gay. Indeed, the little man killed the guys who raped him.
"America's Meanest Killer"

The "Green River Killer," with 48+ female victims.

Gerald Stano: Heterosexual, killed fourty-one females.

Richard Kuklinski (40+). Heterosexual.

The "Zodiac Killer" who was never apprehended but is attributed 37+
victims. There is nothing to suggest that he is gay.

Gerald Schaefer (30+). Heterosexual with female victims.

Micajah and Wiley Harpe (30+). These River Pirate brothers were flaming
heterosexuals.

Pedro Alonso Lopez. Although raped at an early age, this flagrantly
heterosexual killer proved his masculinity by kidnapping, raping,
torturing, killing and burying more than THREE HUNDRED young girls.

You were saying...
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The danger for what the press derisively calls the 'Religious Right' is that they are making the same mistakes the religious left made. To solve the moral problems of the nation they are looking to government rather than the Creator of their faith and His strategies.
jaonajames
2004-05-22 23:35:32 UTC
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you guys asked for proof I posted it and still you deny and evade
the question was "I would like to see proof" and I posted it , per capita
homos are the largest group of serial kills
Post by Dionisio
Post by jaonajames
This is a list of serial killers who were homosexuals.
This again?
Boston Strangler (serial killer of women and married, stuck
broom stick up dead woman's vagina)
Ted Bundy (serial killer of women, very intelligent and was a
necrophile-killed many)
Richard Ramirez (serial killer and rapist)
Richard Chase
(disorganized serial killer, drank victims blood and perforated
woman's anus with knife and shit in her mouth)
Richard Speck (a mass murderer, raped and killed several nurses and
perforated Ms. Davies anus with a knife before killing her)
Chenko (the most prolific documented lone serial killer in history. Was
Russian and married. Indiscriminate in who he killed-allegedly
500 victims.)
Edmund Kemper (killed coed women and his mother,
chopped his mother's head off and had intercourse with headless
corpse)
And there are many, many more serial killers whose victims were
primarily, if not exclusively, female. To suggest serial killers are
primarily homosexual is false. Most, however, are disturbed in their
sexuality. Quit trying to scapegoat homosexuals by painting them as
serial killers. Nobody with half a brain buys that. Some serial killers
are victim of the madonna-whore complex and a woman is either pure or
dirty. Some of these serial killers are married and they seek out
prostitutes to rape and murder.
H. H. Holmes. Kills: 200+. "House of Horrors" killer, and obviously
heterosexual.
"Pee Wee" Gaskin (100+): Although raped in prison, Pee Wee was obviously
not gay. Indeed, the little man killed the guys who raped him.
"America's Meanest Killer"
The "Green River Killer," with 48+ female victims.
Gerald Stano: Heterosexual, killed fourty-one females.
Richard Kuklinski (40+). Heterosexual.
The "Zodiac Killer" who was never apprehended but is attributed 37+
victims. There is nothing to suggest that he is gay.
Gerald Schaefer (30+). Heterosexual with female victims.
Micajah and Wiley Harpe (30+). These River Pirate brothers were flaming
heterosexuals.
Pedro Alonso Lopez. Although raped at an early age, this flagrantly
heterosexual killer proved his masculinity by kidnapping, raping,
torturing, killing and burying more than THREE HUNDRED young girls.
You were saying...
--
The danger for what the press derisively calls the 'Religious Right' is
that they are making the same mistakes the religious left made. To solve the
moral problems of the nation they are looking to government rather than the
Creator of their faith and His strategies.
Dionisio
2004-05-22 23:46:18 UTC
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Post by jaonajames
you guys asked for proof I posted it
Yep, and filled with heterosexuals it was. (Or did that teensy little
factoid escape you?)
--
The danger for what the press derisively calls the 'Religious Right' is that they are making the same mistakes the religious left made. To solve the moral problems of the nation they are looking to government rather than the Creator of their faith and His strategies.
JTEM
2004-05-23 06:32:19 UTC
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Post by jaonajames
Homosexual Serial Killers
This is a list of serial killers who were homosexuals.
Actually, this is a fantasy list. For whatever reason, you
find sexual gratification in pretending that all of these
people where gay, when you know that you're lying.
jaonajames
2004-05-23 07:03:11 UTC
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Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
Homosexual Serial Killers
This is a list of serial killers who were homosexuals.
Actually, this is a fantasy list. For whatever reason, you
find sexual gratification in pretending that all of these
people where gay, when you know that you're lying.
truth hurts but I did not compose the list , take it up with the author ,
his name is on the work. Now it is up to you to disprove the facts
JTEM
2004-05-23 08:34:06 UTC
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Post by JTEM
Actually, this is a fantasy list. For whatever reason, you
find sexual gratification in pretending that all of these
people where gay, when you know that you're lying.
truth hurts
Then you must be in pain.
jaonajames
2004-05-23 09:06:04 UTC
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Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Actually, this is a fantasy list. For whatever reason, you
find sexual gratification in pretending that all of these
people where gay, when you know that you're lying.
truth hurts
Then you must be in pain.
blahahaha is that the best you can do, you lied and got caught so now you
act like a 9 year old girl having a hissy fit
damn you are funny
Robin
2004-05-23 16:23:12 UTC
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Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Actually, this is a fantasy list. For whatever
reason, you
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
find sexual gratification in pretending that all of
these
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
people where gay, when you know that you're lying.
truth hurts
Then you must be in pain.
blahahaha is that the best you can do, you lied and got
caught so now you
Post by jaonajames
act like a 9 year old girl having a hissy fit
damn you are funny
What do you do when you are caught in a lie? Ignore
repeated requests to back up your lie with proof.
jaonajames
2004-05-23 17:53:32 UTC
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Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Actually, this is a fantasy list. For whatever
reason, you
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
find sexual gratification in pretending that all of
these
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
people where gay, when you know that you're lying.
truth hurts
Then you must be in pain.
blahahaha is that the best you can do, you lied and got
caught so now you
Post by jaonajames
act like a 9 year old girl having a hissy fit
damn you are funny
What do you do when you are caught in a lie? Ignore
repeated requests to back up your lie with proof.
post where I have lied without taking what I have said out of context
Robin
2004-05-23 18:25:50 UTC
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Post by JTEM
Actually, this is a fantasy list. For whatever
reason, you
Post by jaonajames
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Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
find sexual gratification in pretending that all
of
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
these
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
people where gay, when you know that you're
lying.
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
truth hurts
Then you must be in pain.
blahahaha is that the best you can do, you lied and
got
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
caught so now you
Post by jaonajames
act like a 9 year old girl having a hissy fit
damn you are funny
What do you do when you are caught in a lie? Ignore
repeated requests to back up your lie with proof.
post where I have lied without taking what I have said out
of context
Gladly. Word for word copy and paste of my post; followed
by a word for word copy and paste of your post.

I said........
Post by jaonajames
I was just attempting to point out to the uneducated
person
Post by jaonajames
who thought that all homosexuals waited tables for a
living,
Post by jaonajames
that according to 1990 U.S. Census stats
21.0% of homosexuals have some college
24.7% of homosexuals are college graduates
12.6% have a post graduate degree
This means that 58.3% of homosexuals have college
education.
Post by jaonajames
Compare this with 1990 census data for ALL Americans
(including the homosexual population)
18.7% have some college
13.1% are college graduates
7.2% have a post graduate degree
This means that 38% of ALL Americans (INCLUDING the 58.3%
of
Post by jaonajames
college educated homosexuals) have college education.
Then you said.....

I think you better go back and check your facts,I was just
at the U.S census
site

So what error did you find in my facts? Did you even go to
the U.S. census site, or was the entire statement a lie.
jaonajames
2004-05-23 19:10:19 UTC
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Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Actually, this is a fantasy list. For whatever
reason, you
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
find sexual gratification in pretending that all
of
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
these
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
people where gay, when you know that you're
lying.
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
truth hurts
Then you must be in pain.
blahahaha is that the best you can do, you lied and
got
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
caught so now you
Post by jaonajames
act like a 9 year old girl having a hissy fit
damn you are funny
What do you do when you are caught in a lie? Ignore
repeated requests to back up your lie with proof.
post where I have lied without taking what I have said out
of context
Gladly. Word for word copy and paste of my post; followed
by a word for word copy and paste of your post.
I said........
Post by jaonajames
I was just attempting to point out to the uneducated
person
Post by jaonajames
who thought that all homosexuals waited tables for a
living,
Post by jaonajames
that according to 1990 U.S. Census stats
21.0% of homosexuals have some college
24.7% of homosexuals are college graduates
12.6% have a post graduate degree
This means that 58.3% of homosexuals have college
education.
Post by jaonajames
Compare this with 1990 census data for ALL Americans
(including the homosexual population)
18.7% have some college
13.1% are college graduates
7.2% have a post graduate degree
This means that 38% of ALL Americans (INCLUDING the 58.3%
of
Post by jaonajames
college educated homosexuals) have college education.
Then you said.....
I think you better go back and check your facts,I was just
at the U.S census
site
So what error did you find in my facts? Did you even go to
the U.S. census site, or was the entire statement a lie.
that homosexuals would need about 300,000 more degrees to catch up with
heteros it goes back to per capita. being 3-5% of the population but having
50% of the degree means nothing

I never said gays did not go to college
Robin
2004-05-23 23:48:32 UTC
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Actually, this is a fantasy list. For
whatever
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Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
reason, you
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
find sexual gratification in pretending that
all
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
of
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
these
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
people where gay, when you know that you're
lying.
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
truth hurts
Then you must be in pain.
blahahaha is that the best you can do, you lied
and
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
got
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
caught so now you
Post by jaonajames
act like a 9 year old girl having a hissy fit
damn you are funny
What do you do when you are caught in a lie? Ignore
repeated requests to back up your lie with proof.
post where I have lied without taking what I have said
out
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
of context
Gladly. Word for word copy and paste of my post;
followed
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
by a word for word copy and paste of your post.
I said........
Post by jaonajames
I was just attempting to point out to the uneducated
person
Post by jaonajames
who thought that all homosexuals waited tables for a
living,
Post by jaonajames
that according to 1990 U.S. Census stats
21.0% of homosexuals have some college
24.7% of homosexuals are college graduates
12.6% have a post graduate degree
This means that 58.3% of homosexuals have college
education.
Post by jaonajames
Compare this with 1990 census data for ALL Americans
(including the homosexual population)
18.7% have some college
13.1% are college graduates
7.2% have a post graduate degree
This means that 38% of ALL Americans (INCLUDING the
58.3%
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
of
Post by jaonajames
college educated homosexuals) have college education.
Then you said.....
I think you better go back and check your facts,I was
just
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
at the U.S census
site
So what error did you find in my facts? Did you even go
to
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
the U.S. census site, or was the entire statement a lie.
that homosexuals would need about 300,000 more degrees to
catch up with
Post by jaonajames
heteros it goes back to per capita. being 3-5% of the
population but having
Post by jaonajames
50% of the degree means nothing
I never said gays did not go to college
OK Jaona, let me break it down for you in really simple and
plain language, since that appears to be your limit.

If you meet a heterosexual on the streets, odds are good
they have never been to college.

If you meet a homosexual on the streets, odds are good that
they have been to college.

Get it?
jaonajames
2004-05-24 01:42:36 UTC
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Actually, this is a fantasy list. For
whatever
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Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
reason, you
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
find sexual gratification in pretending that
all
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
of
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
these
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
people where gay, when you know that you're
lying.
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
truth hurts
Then you must be in pain.
blahahaha is that the best you can do, you lied
and
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
got
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
caught so now you
Post by jaonajames
act like a 9 year old girl having a hissy fit
damn you are funny
What do you do when you are caught in a lie? Ignore
repeated requests to back up your lie with proof.
post where I have lied without taking what I have said
out
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
of context
Gladly. Word for word copy and paste of my post;
followed
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
by a word for word copy and paste of your post.
I said........
Post by jaonajames
I was just attempting to point out to the uneducated
person
Post by jaonajames
who thought that all homosexuals waited tables for a
living,
Post by jaonajames
that according to 1990 U.S. Census stats
21.0% of homosexuals have some college
24.7% of homosexuals are college graduates
12.6% have a post graduate degree
This means that 58.3% of homosexuals have college
education.
Post by jaonajames
Compare this with 1990 census data for ALL Americans
(including the homosexual population)
18.7% have some college
13.1% are college graduates
7.2% have a post graduate degree
This means that 38% of ALL Americans (INCLUDING the
58.3%
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
of
Post by jaonajames
college educated homosexuals) have college education.
Then you said.....
I think you better go back and check your facts,I was
just
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
at the U.S census
site
So what error did you find in my facts? Did you even go
to
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
the U.S. census site, or was the entire statement a lie.
that homosexuals would need about 300,000 more degrees to
catch up with
Post by jaonajames
heteros it goes back to per capita. being 3-5% of the
population but having
Post by jaonajames
50% of the degree means nothing
I never said gays did not go to college
OK Jaona, let me break it down for you in really simple and
plain language, since that appears to be your limit.
If you meet a heterosexual on the streets, odds are good
they have never been to college.
If you meet a homosexual on the streets, odds are good that
they have been to college.
Get it?
so what some of you have college degrees whoppi 20.3% to be exact since
some college doesn't count only those with a degree have gaduated you still
per capita need 300,000 more to catch up
jaonajames
2004-05-24 02:11:15 UTC
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Actually, this is a fantasy list. For
whatever
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
reason, you
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
find sexual gratification in pretending that
all
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
of
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
these
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
people where gay, when you know that you're
lying.
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
truth hurts
Then you must be in pain.
blahahaha is that the best you can do, you lied
and
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
got
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
caught so now you
Post by jaonajames
act like a 9 year old girl having a hissy fit
damn you are funny
What do you do when you are caught in a lie? Ignore
repeated requests to back up your lie with proof.
post where I have lied without taking what I have said
out
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
of context
Gladly. Word for word copy and paste of my post;
followed
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
by a word for word copy and paste of your post.
I said........
Post by jaonajames
I was just attempting to point out to the uneducated
person
Post by jaonajames
who thought that all homosexuals waited tables for a
living,
Post by jaonajames
that according to 1990 U.S. Census stats
21.0% of homosexuals have some college
24.7% of homosexuals are college graduates
12.6% have a post graduate degree
This means that 58.3% of homosexuals have college
education.
Post by jaonajames
Compare this with 1990 census data for ALL Americans
(including the homosexual population)
18.7% have some college
13.1% are college graduates
7.2% have a post graduate degree
This means that 38% of ALL Americans (INCLUDING the
58.3%
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
of
Post by jaonajames
college educated homosexuals) have college education.
Then you said.....
I think you better go back and check your facts,I was
just
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
at the U.S census
site
So what error did you find in my facts? Did you even go
to
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
the U.S. census site, or was the entire statement a lie.
that homosexuals would need about 300,000 more degrees to
catch up with
Post by jaonajames
heteros it goes back to per capita. being 3-5% of the
population but having
Post by jaonajames
50% of the degree means nothing
I never said gays did not go to college
OK Jaona, let me break it down for you in really simple and
plain language, since that appears to be your limit.
If you meet a heterosexual on the streets, odds are good
they have never been to college.
If you meet a homosexual on the streets, odds are good that
they have been to college.
Get it?
so what some of you have college degrees whoppi 20.3% to be exact since
some college doesn't count only those with a degree have gaduated you still
per capita need 300,000 more to catch up
for your next post I would like to see something to back up what you have
been saying
Robin
2004-05-25 01:32:06 UTC
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Actually, this is a fantasy list. For
whatever
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
reason, you
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
find sexual gratification in
pretending that
Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
all
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
of
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
these
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
people where gay, when you know that
you're
Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
lying.
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
truth hurts
Then you must be in pain.
blahahaha is that the best you can do, you
lied
Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
and
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
got
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
caught so now you
Post by jaonajames
act like a 9 year old girl having a hissy
fit
Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
damn you are funny
What do you do when you are caught in a lie?
Ignore
Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
repeated requests to back up your lie with
proof.
Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
post where I have lied without taking what I
have said
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Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
out
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of context
Gladly. Word for word copy and paste of my post;
followed
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
by a word for word copy and paste of your post.
I said........
Post by jaonajames
I was just attempting to point out to the
uneducated
Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
person
Post by jaonajames
who thought that all homosexuals waited tables
for a
Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
living,
Post by jaonajames
that according to 1990 U.S. Census stats
21.0% of homosexuals have some college
24.7% of homosexuals are college graduates
12.6% have a post graduate degree
This means that 58.3% of homosexuals have
college
Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
education.
Post by jaonajames
Compare this with 1990 census data for ALL
Americans
Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
(including the homosexual population)
18.7% have some college
13.1% are college graduates
7.2% have a post graduate degree
This means that 38% of ALL Americans (INCLUDING
the
Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
58.3%
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
of
Post by jaonajames
college educated homosexuals) have college
education.
Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Then you said.....
I think you better go back and check your facts,I
was
Post by jaonajames
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Post by JTEM
just
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
at the U.S census
site
So what error did you find in my facts? Did you
even go
Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
to
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
the U.S. census site, or was the entire statement
a lie.
Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
that homosexuals would need about 300,000 more
degrees to
Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
catch up with
Post by jaonajames
heteros it goes back to per capita. being 3-5% of
the
Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
population but having
Post by jaonajames
50% of the degree means nothing
I never said gays did not go to college
OK Jaona, let me break it down for you in really
simple and
Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
plain language, since that appears to be your limit.
If you meet a heterosexual on the streets, odds are
good
Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
they have never been to college.
If you meet a homosexual on the streets, odds are good
that
Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
they have been to college.
Get it?
so what some of you have college degrees whoppi 20.3%
to be exact since
Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
some college doesn't count only those with a degree have
gaduated you
Post by jaonajames
still
Post by jaonajames
per capita need 300,000 more to catch up
for your next post I would like to see something to back
up what you have
Post by jaonajames
been saying
Back up what? My statistics. You have been to the U.S.
census site. If not a quick Google will take you there. Or
would you like me to back up the fact that you have no idea
what per capita means?
Robin
2004-05-25 01:30:58 UTC
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Actually, this is a fantasy list. For
whatever
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Post by JTEM
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Post by JTEM
reason, you
Post by jaonajames
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Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
find sexual gratification in pretending
that
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Post by JTEM
all
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
of
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
these
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
people where gay, when you know that
you're
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
lying.
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
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truth hurts
Then you must be in pain.
blahahaha is that the best you can do, you
lied
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
and
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
got
Post by jaonajames
Post by JTEM
caught so now you
Post by jaonajames
act like a 9 year old girl having a hissy fit
damn you are funny
What do you do when you are caught in a lie?
Ignore
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repeated requests to back up your lie with
proof.
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post where I have lied without taking what I have
said
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out
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of context
Gladly. Word for word copy and paste of my post;
followed
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by a word for word copy and paste of your post.
I said........
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I was just attempting to point out to the
uneducated
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person
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who thought that all homosexuals waited tables for
a
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living,
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that according to 1990 U.S. Census stats
21.0% of homosexuals have some college
24.7% of homosexuals are college graduates
12.6% have a post graduate degree
This means that 58.3% of homosexuals have college
education.
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Compare this with 1990 census data for ALL
Americans
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(including the homosexual population)
18.7% have some college
13.1% are college graduates
7.2% have a post graduate degree
This means that 38% of ALL Americans (INCLUDING
the
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58.3%
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of
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college educated homosexuals) have college
education.
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Then you said.....
I think you better go back and check your facts,I
was
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just
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at the U.S census
site
So what error did you find in my facts? Did you
even go
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to
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the U.S. census site, or was the entire statement a
lie.
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that homosexuals would need about 300,000 more degrees
to
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catch up with
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heteros it goes back to per capita. being 3-5% of the
population but having
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50% of the degree means nothing
I never said gays did not go to college
OK Jaona, let me break it down for you in really simple
and
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plain language, since that appears to be your limit.
If you meet a heterosexual on the streets, odds are good
they have never been to college.
If you meet a homosexual on the streets, odds are good
that
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they have been to college.
Get it?
so what some of you have college degrees whoppi 20.3% to
be exact since
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some college doesn't count only those with a degree have
gaduated

Who says they don't count? You? Whether you count them or
not, homosexuals rank higher see...
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21.0% of homosexuals have some college
24.7% of homosexuals are college graduates
12.6% have a post graduate degree
18.7% have some college
13.1% are college graduates
7.2% have a post graduate degree
you still
per capita need 300,000 more to catch up
Let's look at the websters definition of per capita shall
we?

Per capita is a Latin phrase (meaning per head) defined as
the median (or average) per person **of any given
statistic**, most commonly used with income.

Homosexuals are one segment of the population (hint **of any
given statistic**) and heterosexuals are another segment of
population (hint ** another given statistic)

So per capita (per the homosexual segment of the American
population) homosexuals have a much higher education level.
JTEM
2004-05-26 02:46:50 UTC
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blahahaha is that the best you can do,
You provide more canvas than I've got the paint for.

Tone down your trolling, and I'll see what I can come
up with.
Dionisio
2004-05-24 02:55:51 UTC
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you are a liar and now a proven liar here it is again
b.. Violence and Homosexuality - by Dr. Paul Cameron
Speaking of proven liars...
--
The danger for what the press derisively calls the 'Religious Right' is that they are making the same mistakes the religious left made. To solve the moral problems of the nation they are looking to government rather than the Creator of their faith and His strategies.
jaonajames
2004-05-24 04:06:06 UTC
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Post by Dionisio
you are a liar and now a proven liar here it is again
b.. Violence and Homosexuality - by Dr. Paul Cameron
Speaking of proven liars...
so post proof were Dr.Cameron has lied and that you have a P.hd to back up
anything you have said.
just because you don't like him don't mean squat
Post by Dionisio
--
The danger for what the press derisively calls the 'Religious Right' is
that they are making the same mistakes the religious left made. To solve the
moral problems of the nation they are looking to government rather than the
Creator of their faith and His strategies.
Bard Kesnit
2004-05-24 15:38:18 UTC
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On Mon, 24 May 2004 04:06:06 GMT, "jaonajames"
Post by jaonajames
Post by Dionisio
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b.. Violence and Homosexuality - by Dr. Paul Cameron
Speaking of proven liars...
so post proof were Dr.Cameron has lied and that you have a P.hd to back up
anything you have said.
just because you don't like him don't mean squat
Just a few quotes...

"given the poor quality of the Cameron group's data"
"Lacking training in research methods and statistics, however,
nonscientists may not be equipped to subject the Cameron group's
results to the rigorous scrutiny that they warrant. Consequently, they
may mistakenly assume that the Cameron group's papers are basically
sound because they included lengthy bibliographies, reported many
statistics, and were published in academic journals. Some members of
the lay public may not understand that the mere presence of
bibliographic references does not guarantee an assertion's accuracy or
validity, that statistics can easily be generated from faulty data,
and that academic journals vary widely in their quality and their
criteria for accepting papers for publication."
"Six serious errors are identified in the Cameron group's sampling
techniques, survey methodology, and interpretation of results. The
presence of even one of these errors would be sufficient to cast
serious doubts on the legitimacy of any study's results. In
combination, they make the data virtually meaningless."

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_cameron.html
This page also has links explaining how Dr. Cameron's research is
flawed.

"On December 2, 1983, the American Psychological Association sent Paul
Cameron a letter informing him that he had been dropped from
membership. Early in 1984, all members of the American Psychological
Association received official written notice that "Paul Cameron
(Nebraska) was dropped from membership for a violation of the Preamble
to the Ethical Principles of Psychologists" by the APA Board of
Directors."

At its membership meeting on October 19, 1984, the Nebraska
Psychological Association adopted a resolution stating that it
"formally disassociates itself from the representations and
interpretations of scientific literature offered by Dr. Paul Cameron
in his writings and public statements on sexuality."

In 1985, the American Sociological Association (ASA) adopted a
resolution which asserted that "Dr. Paul Cameron has consistently
misinterpreted and misrepresented sociological research on sexuality,
homosexuality, and lesbianism" and noted that "Dr. Paul Cameron has
repeatedly campaigned for the abrogation of the civil rights of
lesbians and gay men, substantiating his call on the basis of his
distorted interpretation of this research."7 The resolution formally
charged an ASA committee with the task of "critically evaluating and
publicly responding to the work of Dr. Paul Cameron."

"At its August, 1986 meeting, the ASA officially accepted the
committee's report and passed the following resolution: The American
Sociological Association officially and publicly states that Paul
Cameron is not a sociologist, and condemns his consistent
misrepresentation of sociological research."

Cameron's credibility was also questioned outside of academia. In his
written opinion in Baker v. Wade (1985), Judge Buchmeyer of the U.S.
District Court of Dallas referred to "Cameron's sworn statement that
'homosexuals abuse children at a proportionately greater incident than
do heterosexuals,'" and concluded that "Dr. Paul Cameron...has himself
made misrepresentations to this Court" and that "There has been no
fraud or misrepresentations except by Dr. Cameron"

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_cameron_sheet.html
Dionisio
2004-05-25 23:49:03 UTC
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Post by jaonajames
so post proof were Dr.Cameron has lied and that you have a P.hd to back up
anything you have said.
<chuckle> Oh, so one needs a PhD to spot liars? All right, dear, I call
your bluff: Where's yours?

As for proof:

12/02/1983: His actions lead to his expulsion from the APA. This was
codified in 1984 when members of the American Psychological Association
were informed that "Paul Cameron (Nebraska) was dropped from membership
for a violation of the Preamble to the Ethical Principles of
Psychologists," by the APA Board of Directors. The reason for this
action was that Cameron was misrepresenting and distorting other
peoples' psychological research in order to further his own virulent
anti-gay stance.

The letter he received went thusly:

Dear Dr. Cameron:

This is to inform you that the Board of Directors of the American
Psychological Association on December 2, 1983, voted to drop you from
membership in the Association for lack of cooperation with the
Committee on Scientific and Professional Ethics and Conduct; this is a
violation of the Preamble to the "Ethical Principles of
Psychologists."

Consistent with Article II, Section 19 of the Bylaws, you may reapply
for membership after five years has elapsed.

Cameron says he resigned. Alas, resignation while a member is under
investigation is prohibited by the bylaws of the organization. Oops.

10/19/1984: His actions lead to his expulsion from the Nebraska
Psychological Association.

1985: The American Sociological Association says "Bye, bye." (Whether
this is before or after his creation of the "gerbilization" myth, I
haven't been able to determine. (That was also in 1985, during an
interview on WWDB.))

The ASA went so far as to adopt a resolution, stating, in part, "WHEREAS
Dr. Paul Cameron has consistently misinterpreted and misrepresented
sociological research of sexuality, homosexuality, and lesbianism;"

Find Baker v. Wade, (Texas, 1985), if you dare.

09/03/1991: C. Everett Koop, Ronald Reagan's Surgeon General and himself
and Christian fundamentalist, calls Cameron a "propagandist."

In 1992 he was paid to be an "expert witness" for Colorado's Amendment
2, but was never called due to credibility issues.

That enough, or shall I continue?
--
The danger for what the press derisively calls the 'Religious Right' is that they are making the same mistakes the religious left made. To solve the moral problems of the nation they are looking to government rather than the Creator of their faith and His strategies.
jaonajames
2004-05-26 03:35:43 UTC
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Post by Dionisio
Post by jaonajames
so post proof were Dr.Cameron has lied and that you have a P.hd to back up
anything you have said.
<chuckle> Oh, so one needs a PhD to spot liars? All right, dear, I call
your bluff: Where's yours?
12/02/1983: His actions lead to his expulsion from the APA. This was
codified in 1984 when members of the American Psychological Association
were informed that "Paul Cameron (Nebraska) was dropped from membership
for a violation of the Preamble to the Ethical Principles of
Psychologists," by the APA Board of Directors. The reason for this
action was that Cameron was misrepresenting and distorting other
peoples' psychological research in order to further his own virulent
anti-gay stance.
no link so is consittered bullshit
Post by Dionisio
This is to inform you that the Board of Directors of the American
Psychological Association on December 2, 1983, voted to drop you from
membership in the Association for lack of cooperation with the
Committee on Scientific and Professional Ethics and Conduct; this is a
violation of the Preamble to the "Ethical Principles of
Psychologists."
Consistent with Article II, Section 19 of the Bylaws, you may reapply
for membership after five years has elapsed.
Cameron says he resigned. Alas, resignation while a member is under
investigation is prohibited by the bylaws of the organization. Oops.
10/19/1984: His actions lead to his expulsion from the Nebraska
Psychological Association.
1985: The American Sociological Association says "Bye, bye." (Whether
this is before or after his creation of the "gerbilization" myth, I
haven't been able to determine. (That was also in 1985, during an
interview on WWDB.))
The ASA went so far as to adopt a resolution, stating, in part, "WHEREAS
Dr. Paul Cameron has consistently misinterpreted and misrepresented
sociological research of sexuality, homosexuality, and lesbianism;"
again no link bullshit
Post by Dionisio
Find Baker v. Wade, (Texas, 1985), if you dare.
the case that was uncontested by the DDAA so what they found that gay sex
is protected
nothing new here
Post by Dionisio
09/03/1991: C. Everett Koop, Ronald Reagan's Surgeon General and himself
and Christian fundamentalist, calls Cameron a "propagandist."
In 1992 he was paid to be an "expert witness" for Colorado's Amendment
2, but was never called due to credibility issues.
That enough, or shall I continue?
go ahead without a link or foot not it's all bullshit
Post by Dionisio
--
The danger for what the press derisively calls the 'Religious Right' is
that they are making the same mistakes the religious left made. To solve the
moral problems of the nation they are looking to government rather than the
Creator of their faith and His strategies.

again post something other than your opinion
Bard Kesnit
2004-05-26 13:24:53 UTC
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On Wed, 26 May 2004 03:35:43 GMT, "jaonajames"
Post by jaonajames
no link so is consittered bullshit
I posted quotes with a link a few days ago and I notice that
you didn't both to answer mine.

Bard Kesnit
Dionisio
2004-05-27 01:53:13 UTC
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Post by jaonajames
no link so is consittered bullshit
<Chuckle> As though links are indications of truth. I could provide
links that say the Earth is flat, or that blacks are sub-human, or that
France is the cultural center of the universe. And not a one of them
would contain the truth. If links are your lifeline, prepare to drown.
Post by jaonajames
again post something other than your opinion
Sheesh. First you want opinions, then you don't. Care to make up your mind?
--
The danger for what the press derisively calls the 'Religious Right' is that they are making the same mistakes the religious left made. To solve the moral problems of the nation they are looking to government rather than the Creator of their faith and His strategies.
Juanjo
2004-05-23 18:28:55 UTC
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you guys asked for proof I posted it and still you deny and evade
the question was "I would like to see proof" and I posted it , per capita
homos are the largest group of serial kills
Nice claim but not supported by the evidence. A number of the persons
listed were not homosexuals and the list ignores the other heterosexual
serial killers who way outnumber the names on this list. Ted Bundy, the
Hillside Strangler, the Boston Strangler, that Mexican guy they busted a
couple of years ago who was riding freight trains and murdering people, the
one in Juarez who has been murdering women for years, the Nightstalker, the
Zodiac Killer, Charles Manson, the list goes on and on. But the simple fact
is there is no correlation between sexual orientation and serial murder.
Despite the attempt to use selective pick and choose to make it appear that
way.


Juan Corona for example was never accused of sexually assaulting his
victims. He was a contract supplier of farm laborers to various Central
Valley farms. He would nurder migrant farm workers he had sent to jobs and
keep the money he received to pay them.

Aldolfo Constanza, was bisexual but the motive to his murders was not sexual
gratification but rather witchcraft he was engaging in in support of drug
smuggling activities along the Rio Grande. He had been hired by a group of
drug smugglers to perform certain Santaria ceremonies in which human
sacrifices were performed to provide protection for the smugglers'
activites. Sick and depraved yes but the motivations for the murders are
different from someone like Gacy who killed for sexual gratification.

Richard Speck was not a homosexual and there is no evidence that he
participate in same sex relations prior to his incarceration for the murders
he committed. He had been married and sought women for sexual
gratification. All of his victims were women he raped and murdered. It is
only much later after he was incarcerated for these murders that he began to
engage in sexual activity with men. Not an uncommon occurrance in prisons.

There are several others on this list who I suspect were not homosexuals and
do not beloing here. But I do lack the time and inclination to do the
research to check them out.
Post by jaonajames
Post by Dionisio
Post by jaonajames
This is a list of serial killers who were homosexuals.
This again?
Boston Strangler (serial killer of women and married, stuck
broom stick up dead woman's vagina)
Ted Bundy (serial killer of women, very intelligent and was a
necrophile-killed many)
Richard Ramirez (serial killer and rapist)
Richard Chase
(disorganized serial killer, drank victims blood and perforated
woman's anus with knife and shit in her mouth)
Richard Speck (a mass murderer, raped and killed several nurses and
perforated Ms. Davies anus with a knife before killing her)
Chenko (the most prolific documented lone serial killer in history. Was
Russian and married. Indiscriminate in who he killed-allegedly
500 victims.)
Edmund Kemper (killed coed women and his mother,
chopped his mother's head off and had intercourse with headless
corpse)
And there are many, many more serial killers whose victims were
primarily, if not exclusively, female. To suggest serial killers are
primarily homosexual is false. Most, however, are disturbed in their
sexuality. Quit trying to scapegoat homosexuals by painting them as
serial killers. Nobody with half a brain buys that. Some serial killers
are victim of the madonna-whore complex and a woman is either pure or
dirty. Some of these serial killers are married and they seek out
prostitutes to rape and murder.
H. H. Holmes. Kills: 200+. "House of Horrors" killer, and obviously
heterosexual.
"Pee Wee" Gaskin (100+): Although raped in prison, Pee Wee was obviously
not gay. Indeed, the little man killed the guys who raped him.
"America's Meanest Killer"
The "Green River Killer," with 48+ female victims.
Gerald Stano: Heterosexual, killed fourty-one females.
Richard Kuklinski (40+). Heterosexual.
The "Zodiac Killer" who was never apprehended but is attributed 37+
victims. There is nothing to suggest that he is gay.
Gerald Schaefer (30+). Heterosexual with female victims.
Micajah and Wiley Harpe (30+). These River Pirate brothers were flaming
heterosexuals.
Pedro Alonso Lopez. Although raped at an early age, this flagrantly
heterosexual killer proved his masculinity by kidnapping, raping,
torturing, killing and burying more than THREE HUNDRED young girls.
You were saying...
--
The danger for what the press derisively calls the 'Religious Right' is
that they are making the same mistakes the religious left made. To solve the
moral problems of the nation they are looking to government rather than the
Creator of their faith and His strategies.
jaonajames
2004-05-23 18:53:49 UTC
Permalink
that still does not disprove that homosexuals are not over repersented as
serial killers, to simple post the names of hetero serial killers does not
disprove the fact
sorry
try again
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
you guys asked for proof I posted it and still you deny and evade
the question was "I would like to see proof" and I posted it , per capita
homos are the largest group of serial kills
Nice claim but not supported by the evidence. A number of the persons
listed were not homosexuals and the list ignores the other heterosexual
serial killers who way outnumber the names on this list. Ted Bundy, the
Hillside Strangler, the Boston Strangler, that Mexican guy they busted a
couple of years ago who was riding freight trains and murdering people, the
one in Juarez who has been murdering women for years, the Nightstalker, the
Zodiac Killer, Charles Manson, the list goes on and on. But the simple fact
is there is no correlation between sexual orientation and serial murder.
Despite the attempt to use selective pick and choose to make it appear that
way.
Juan Corona for example was never accused of sexually assaulting his
victims. He was a contract supplier of farm laborers to various Central
Valley farms. He would nurder migrant farm workers he had sent to jobs and
keep the money he received to pay them.
Aldolfo Constanza, was bisexual but the motive to his murders was not sexual
gratification but rather witchcraft he was engaging in in support of drug
smuggling activities along the Rio Grande. He had been hired by a group of
drug smugglers to perform certain Santaria ceremonies in which human
sacrifices were performed to provide protection for the smugglers'
activites. Sick and depraved yes but the motivations for the murders are
different from someone like Gacy who killed for sexual gratification.
Richard Speck was not a homosexual and there is no evidence that he
participate in same sex relations prior to his incarceration for the murders
he committed. He had been married and sought women for sexual
gratification. All of his victims were women he raped and murdered. It is
only much later after he was incarcerated for these murders that he began to
engage in sexual activity with men. Not an uncommon occurrance in prisons.
There are several others on this list who I suspect were not homosexuals and
do not beloing here. But I do lack the time and inclination to do the
research to check them out.
Post by jaonajames
Post by Dionisio
Post by jaonajames
This is a list of serial killers who were homosexuals.
This again?
Boston Strangler (serial killer of women and married, stuck
broom stick up dead woman's vagina)
Ted Bundy (serial killer of women, very intelligent and was a
necrophile-killed many)
Richard Ramirez (serial killer and rapist)
Richard Chase
(disorganized serial killer, drank victims blood and perforated
woman's anus with knife and shit in her mouth)
Richard Speck (a mass murderer, raped and killed several nurses and
perforated Ms. Davies anus with a knife before killing her)
Chenko (the most prolific documented lone serial killer in history. Was
Russian and married. Indiscriminate in who he killed-allegedly
500 victims.)
Edmund Kemper (killed coed women and his mother,
chopped his mother's head off and had intercourse with headless
corpse)
And there are many, many more serial killers whose victims were
primarily, if not exclusively, female. To suggest serial killers are
primarily homosexual is false. Most, however, are disturbed in their
sexuality. Quit trying to scapegoat homosexuals by painting them as
serial killers. Nobody with half a brain buys that. Some serial killers
are victim of the madonna-whore complex and a woman is either pure or
dirty. Some of these serial killers are married and they seek out
prostitutes to rape and murder.
H. H. Holmes. Kills: 200+. "House of Horrors" killer, and obviously
heterosexual.
"Pee Wee" Gaskin (100+): Although raped in prison, Pee Wee was obviously
not gay. Indeed, the little man killed the guys who raped him.
"America's Meanest Killer"
The "Green River Killer," with 48+ female victims.
Gerald Stano: Heterosexual, killed fourty-one females.
Richard Kuklinski (40+). Heterosexual.
The "Zodiac Killer" who was never apprehended but is attributed 37+
victims. There is nothing to suggest that he is gay.
Gerald Schaefer (30+). Heterosexual with female victims.
Micajah and Wiley Harpe (30+). These River Pirate brothers were flaming
heterosexuals.
Pedro Alonso Lopez. Although raped at an early age, this flagrantly
heterosexual killer proved his masculinity by kidnapping, raping,
torturing, killing and burying more than THREE HUNDRED young girls.
You were saying...
--
The danger for what the press derisively calls the 'Religious Right' is
that they are making the same mistakes the religious left made. To solve
the
Post by jaonajames
moral problems of the nation they are looking to government rather than
the
Post by jaonajames
Creator of their faith and His strategies.
Juanjo
2004-05-24 02:32:09 UTC
Permalink
Uhh yeah, right. Of course this is exactly what you have done by posting a
list of supposed homosexual serial killers. A list which contains the names
of several heterosexuals btw.
Post by jaonajames
that still does not disprove that homosexuals are not over repersented as
serial killers, to simple post the names of hetero serial killers does not
disprove the fact
sorry
try again
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
you guys asked for proof I posted it and still you deny and evade
the question was "I would like to see proof" and I posted it , per
capita
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
homos are the largest group of serial kills
Nice claim but not supported by the evidence. A number of the persons
listed were not homosexuals and the list ignores the other heterosexual
serial killers who way outnumber the names on this list. Ted Bundy, the
Hillside Strangler, the Boston Strangler, that Mexican guy they busted a
couple of years ago who was riding freight trains and murdering people,
the
Post by Juanjo
one in Juarez who has been murdering women for years, the Nightstalker,
the
Post by Juanjo
Zodiac Killer, Charles Manson, the list goes on and on. But the simple
fact
Post by Juanjo
is there is no correlation between sexual orientation and serial murder.
Despite the attempt to use selective pick and choose to make it appear
that
Post by Juanjo
way.
Juan Corona for example was never accused of sexually assaulting his
victims. He was a contract supplier of farm laborers to various Central
Valley farms. He would nurder migrant farm workers he had sent to jobs
and
Post by Juanjo
keep the money he received to pay them.
Aldolfo Constanza, was bisexual but the motive to his murders was not
sexual
Post by Juanjo
gratification but rather witchcraft he was engaging in in support of drug
smuggling activities along the Rio Grande. He had been hired by a group
of
Post by Juanjo
drug smugglers to perform certain Santaria ceremonies in which human
sacrifices were performed to provide protection for the smugglers'
activites. Sick and depraved yes but the motivations for the murders are
different from someone like Gacy who killed for sexual gratification.
Richard Speck was not a homosexual and there is no evidence that he
participate in same sex relations prior to his incarceration for the
murders
Post by Juanjo
he committed. He had been married and sought women for sexual
gratification. All of his victims were women he raped and murdered. It
is
Post by Juanjo
only much later after he was incarcerated for these murders that he
began
Post by jaonajames
to
Post by Juanjo
engage in sexual activity with men. Not an uncommon occurrance in
prisons.
Post by Juanjo
There are several others on this list who I suspect were not homosexuals
and
Post by Juanjo
do not beloing here. But I do lack the time and inclination to do the
research to check them out.
Post by jaonajames
Post by Dionisio
Post by jaonajames
This is a list of serial killers who were homosexuals.
This again?
Boston Strangler (serial killer of women and married, stuck
broom stick up dead woman's vagina)
Ted Bundy (serial killer of women, very intelligent and was a
necrophile-killed many)
Richard Ramirez (serial killer and rapist)
Richard Chase
(disorganized serial killer, drank victims blood and perforated
woman's anus with knife and shit in her mouth)
Richard Speck (a mass murderer, raped and killed several nurses and
perforated Ms. Davies anus with a knife before killing her)
Chenko (the most prolific documented lone serial killer in history.
Was
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
Post by Dionisio
Russian and married. Indiscriminate in who he killed-allegedly
500 victims.)
Edmund Kemper (killed coed women and his mother,
chopped his mother's head off and had intercourse with headless
corpse)
And there are many, many more serial killers whose victims were
primarily, if not exclusively, female. To suggest serial killers are
primarily homosexual is false. Most, however, are disturbed in their
sexuality. Quit trying to scapegoat homosexuals by painting them as
serial killers. Nobody with half a brain buys that. Some serial
killers
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
Post by Dionisio
are victim of the madonna-whore complex and a woman is either pure or
dirty. Some of these serial killers are married and they seek out
prostitutes to rape and murder.
H. H. Holmes. Kills: 200+. "House of Horrors" killer, and obviously
heterosexual.
"Pee Wee" Gaskin (100+): Although raped in prison, Pee Wee was
obviously
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
Post by Dionisio
not gay. Indeed, the little man killed the guys who raped him.
"America's Meanest Killer"
The "Green River Killer," with 48+ female victims.
Gerald Stano: Heterosexual, killed fourty-one females.
Richard Kuklinski (40+). Heterosexual.
The "Zodiac Killer" who was never apprehended but is attributed 37+
victims. There is nothing to suggest that he is gay.
Gerald Schaefer (30+). Heterosexual with female victims.
Micajah and Wiley Harpe (30+). These River Pirate brothers were
flaming
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
Post by Dionisio
heterosexuals.
Pedro Alonso Lopez. Although raped at an early age, this flagrantly
heterosexual killer proved his masculinity by kidnapping, raping,
torturing, killing and burying more than THREE HUNDRED young girls.
You were saying...
--
The danger for what the press derisively calls the 'Religious Right'
is
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
that they are making the same mistakes the religious left made. To solve
the
Post by jaonajames
moral problems of the nation they are looking to government rather than
the
Post by jaonajames
Creator of their faith and His strategies.
jaonajames
2004-05-24 02:59:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by Juanjo
Uhh yeah, right. Of course this is exactly what you have done by posting a
list of supposed homosexual serial killers. A list which contains the names
of several heterosexuals btw.
I post from a data base that tracks serial kills and I merely posted the
fact that gays are over represented by 4 to 1 in serial killers. Don't like
it ? do something in your community to change it.
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
that still does not disprove that homosexuals are not over repersented as
serial killers, to simple post the names of hetero serial killers does not
disprove the fact
sorry
try again
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
you guys asked for proof I posted it and still you deny and evade
the question was "I would like to see proof" and I posted it , per
capita
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
homos are the largest group of serial kills
Nice claim but not supported by the evidence. A number of the persons
listed were not homosexuals and the list ignores the other
heterosexual
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
Post by Juanjo
serial killers who way outnumber the names on this list. Ted Bundy,
the
Post by jaonajames
Post by Juanjo
Hillside Strangler, the Boston Strangler, that Mexican guy they busted a
couple of years ago who was riding freight trains and murdering people,
the
Post by Juanjo
one in Juarez who has been murdering women for years, the
Nightstalker,
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
the
Post by Juanjo
Zodiac Killer, Charles Manson, the list goes on and on. But the simple
fact
Post by Juanjo
is there is no correlation between sexual orientation and serial murder.
Despite the attempt to use selective pick and choose to make it appear
that
Post by Juanjo
way.
Juan Corona for example was never accused of sexually assaulting his
victims. He was a contract supplier of farm laborers to various Central
Valley farms. He would nurder migrant farm workers he had sent to jobs
and
Post by Juanjo
keep the money he received to pay them.
Aldolfo Constanza, was bisexual but the motive to his murders was not
sexual
Post by Juanjo
gratification but rather witchcraft he was engaging in in support of
drug
Post by jaonajames
Post by Juanjo
smuggling activities along the Rio Grande. He had been hired by a group
of
Post by Juanjo
drug smugglers to perform certain Santaria ceremonies in which human
sacrifices were performed to provide protection for the smugglers'
activites. Sick and depraved yes but the motivations for the murders
are
Post by jaonajames
Post by Juanjo
different from someone like Gacy who killed for sexual gratification.
Richard Speck was not a homosexual and there is no evidence that he
participate in same sex relations prior to his incarceration for the
murders
Post by Juanjo
he committed. He had been married and sought women for sexual
gratification. All of his victims were women he raped and murdered.
It
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
is
Post by Juanjo
only much later after he was incarcerated for these murders that he
began
Post by jaonajames
to
Post by Juanjo
engage in sexual activity with men. Not an uncommon occurrance in
prisons.
Post by Juanjo
There are several others on this list who I suspect were not homosexuals
and
Post by Juanjo
do not beloing here. But I do lack the time and inclination to do the
research to check them out.
Post by jaonajames
Post by Dionisio
Post by jaonajames
This is a list of serial killers who were homosexuals.
This again?
Boston Strangler (serial killer of women and married, stuck
broom stick up dead woman's vagina)
Ted Bundy (serial killer of women, very intelligent and was a
necrophile-killed many)
Richard Ramirez (serial killer and rapist)
Richard Chase
(disorganized serial killer, drank victims blood and perforated
woman's anus with knife and shit in her mouth)
Richard Speck (a mass murderer, raped and killed several nurses and
perforated Ms. Davies anus with a knife before killing her)
Chenko (the most prolific documented lone serial killer in history.
Was
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
Post by Dionisio
Russian and married. Indiscriminate in who he killed-allegedly
500 victims.)
Edmund Kemper (killed coed women and his mother,
chopped his mother's head off and had intercourse with headless
corpse)
And there are many, many more serial killers whose victims were
primarily, if not exclusively, female. To suggest serial killers are
primarily homosexual is false. Most, however, are disturbed in their
sexuality. Quit trying to scapegoat homosexuals by painting them as
serial killers. Nobody with half a brain buys that. Some serial
killers
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
Post by Dionisio
are victim of the madonna-whore complex and a woman is either pure
or
Post by jaonajames
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
Post by Dionisio
dirty. Some of these serial killers are married and they seek out
prostitutes to rape and murder.
H. H. Holmes. Kills: 200+. "House of Horrors" killer, and obviously
heterosexual.
"Pee Wee" Gaskin (100+): Although raped in prison, Pee Wee was
obviously
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
Post by Dionisio
not gay. Indeed, the little man killed the guys who raped him.
"America's Meanest Killer"
The "Green River Killer," with 48+ female victims.
Gerald Stano: Heterosexual, killed fourty-one females.
Richard Kuklinski (40+). Heterosexual.
The "Zodiac Killer" who was never apprehended but is attributed 37+
victims. There is nothing to suggest that he is gay.
Gerald Schaefer (30+). Heterosexual with female victims.
Micajah and Wiley Harpe (30+). These River Pirate brothers were
flaming
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
Post by Dionisio
heterosexuals.
Pedro Alonso Lopez. Although raped at an early age, this flagrantly
heterosexual killer proved his masculinity by kidnapping, raping,
torturing, killing and burying more than THREE HUNDRED young girls.
You were saying...
--
The danger for what the press derisively calls the 'Religious Right'
is
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
that they are making the same mistakes the religious left made. To
solve
Post by jaonajames
Post by Juanjo
the
Post by jaonajames
moral problems of the nation they are looking to government rather
than
Post by jaonajames
Post by Juanjo
the
Post by jaonajames
Creator of their faith and His strategies.
Juanjo
2004-05-24 18:05:00 UTC
Permalink
Pretty good at ignoring reality and parroting your fantasies aren't you?
Post by jaonajames
Post by Juanjo
Uhh yeah, right. Of course this is exactly what you have done by
posting
Post by jaonajames
a
Post by Juanjo
list of supposed homosexual serial killers. A list which contains the
names
Post by Juanjo
of several heterosexuals btw.
I post from a data base that tracks serial kills and I merely posted the
fact that gays are over represented by 4 to 1 in serial killers. Don't like
it ? do something in your community to change it.
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
that still does not disprove that homosexuals are not over repersented
as
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
serial killers, to simple post the names of hetero serial killers does
not
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
disprove the fact
sorry
try again
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
you guys asked for proof I posted it and still you deny and evade
the question was "I would like to see proof" and I posted it , per
capita
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
homos are the largest group of serial kills
Nice claim but not supported by the evidence. A number of the persons
listed were not homosexuals and the list ignores the other
heterosexual
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
Post by Juanjo
serial killers who way outnumber the names on this list. Ted
Bundy,
Post by jaonajames
Post by Juanjo
the
Post by jaonajames
Post by Juanjo
Hillside Strangler, the Boston Strangler, that Mexican guy they
busted
Post by jaonajames
a
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
Post by Juanjo
couple of years ago who was riding freight trains and murdering
people,
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
the
Post by Juanjo
one in Juarez who has been murdering women for years, the
Nightstalker,
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
the
Post by Juanjo
Zodiac Killer, Charles Manson, the list goes on and on. But the
simple
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
fact
Post by Juanjo
is there is no correlation between sexual orientation and serial
murder.
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
Post by Juanjo
Despite the attempt to use selective pick and choose to make it appear
that
Post by Juanjo
way.
Juan Corona for example was never accused of sexually assaulting his
victims. He was a contract supplier of farm laborers to various
Central
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
Post by Juanjo
Valley farms. He would nurder migrant farm workers he had sent to
jobs
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
and
Post by Juanjo
keep the money he received to pay them.
Aldolfo Constanza, was bisexual but the motive to his murders was not
sexual
Post by Juanjo
gratification but rather witchcraft he was engaging in in support of
drug
Post by jaonajames
Post by Juanjo
smuggling activities along the Rio Grande. He had been hired by a
group
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
of
Post by Juanjo
drug smugglers to perform certain Santaria ceremonies in which human
sacrifices were performed to provide protection for the smugglers'
activites. Sick and depraved yes but the motivations for the murders
are
Post by jaonajames
Post by Juanjo
different from someone like Gacy who killed for sexual
gratification.
Post by jaonajames
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
Post by Juanjo
Richard Speck was not a homosexual and there is no evidence that he
participate in same sex relations prior to his incarceration for the
murders
Post by Juanjo
he committed. He had been married and sought women for sexual
gratification. All of his victims were women he raped and murdered.
It
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
is
Post by Juanjo
only much later after he was incarcerated for these murders that he
began
Post by jaonajames
to
Post by Juanjo
engage in sexual activity with men. Not an uncommon occurrance in
prisons.
Post by Juanjo
There are several others on this list who I suspect were not
homosexuals
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
and
Post by Juanjo
do not beloing here. But I do lack the time and inclination to do the
research to check them out.
Post by jaonajames
Post by Dionisio
Post by jaonajames
This is a list of serial killers who were homosexuals.
This again?
Boston Strangler (serial killer of women and married, stuck
broom stick up dead woman's vagina)
Ted Bundy (serial killer of women, very intelligent and was a
necrophile-killed many)
Richard Ramirez (serial killer and rapist)
Richard Chase
(disorganized serial killer, drank victims blood and perforated
woman's anus with knife and shit in her mouth)
Richard Speck (a mass murderer, raped and killed several nurses
and
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
Post by Dionisio
perforated Ms. Davies anus with a knife before killing her)
Chenko (the most prolific documented lone serial killer in
history.
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
Was
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
Post by Dionisio
Russian and married. Indiscriminate in who he killed-allegedly
500 victims.)
Edmund Kemper (killed coed women and his mother,
chopped his mother's head off and had intercourse with headless
corpse)
And there are many, many more serial killers whose victims were
primarily, if not exclusively, female. To suggest serial killers
are
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
Post by Dionisio
primarily homosexual is false. Most, however, are disturbed in
their
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
Post by Dionisio
sexuality. Quit trying to scapegoat homosexuals by painting them
as
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
Post by Dionisio
serial killers. Nobody with half a brain buys that. Some serial
killers
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
Post by Dionisio
are victim of the madonna-whore complex and a woman is either pure
or
Post by jaonajames
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
Post by Dionisio
dirty. Some of these serial killers are married and they seek out
prostitutes to rape and murder.
H. H. Holmes. Kills: 200+. "House of Horrors" killer, and
obviously
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
Post by Dionisio
heterosexual.
"Pee Wee" Gaskin (100+): Although raped in prison, Pee Wee was
obviously
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
Post by Dionisio
not gay. Indeed, the little man killed the guys who raped him.
"America's Meanest Killer"
The "Green River Killer," with 48+ female victims.
Gerald Stano: Heterosexual, killed fourty-one females.
Richard Kuklinski (40+). Heterosexual.
The "Zodiac Killer" who was never apprehended but is attributed
37+
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
Post by Dionisio
victims. There is nothing to suggest that he is gay.
Gerald Schaefer (30+). Heterosexual with female victims.
Micajah and Wiley Harpe (30+). These River Pirate brothers were
flaming
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
Post by Dionisio
heterosexuals.
Pedro Alonso Lopez. Although raped at an early age, this
flagrantly
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
Post by Dionisio
heterosexual killer proved his masculinity by kidnapping, raping,
torturing, killing and burying more than THREE HUNDRED young
girls.
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
Post by Dionisio
You were saying...
--
The danger for what the press derisively calls the 'Religious
Right'
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
is
Post by Juanjo
Post by jaonajames
that they are making the same mistakes the religious left made. To
solve
Post by jaonajames
Post by Juanjo
the
Post by jaonajames
moral problems of the nation they are looking to government rather
than
Post by jaonajames
Post by Juanjo
the
Post by jaonajames
Creator of their faith and His strategies.
Dionisio
2004-05-24 03:14:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by jaonajames
that still does not disprove that homosexuals are not over repersented as
serial killers, to simple post the names of hetero serial killers does not
disprove the fact
Oh, so it's some sort of contest to you, eh? So, um -- pardon if this
sounds macabre -- what are the parting gifts?

And as far as head counts go: What, no mention of Behram? Or the current
female record holder Elizabeth Bathori? Nor the male record holder,
Teofilo Rojas? Or about the "most victims in one day" award holder, Wou
Bom-kon? Heck, you don't even mention the most prolific murder duo,
Delfina and Maria de Jesus Gonzales.

Amateur.
--
The danger for what the press derisively calls the 'Religious Right' is that they are making the same mistakes the religious left made. To solve the moral problems of the nation they are looking to government rather than the Creator of their faith and His strategies.
jaonajames
2004-05-24 04:03:06 UTC
Permalink
look up over represented and per capita
Post by Dionisio
Post by jaonajames
that still does not disprove that homosexuals are not over repersented as
serial killers, to simple post the names of hetero serial killers does not
disprove the fact
Oh, so it's some sort of contest to you, eh? So, um -- pardon if this
sounds macabre -- what are the parting gifts?
And as far as head counts go: What, no mention of Behram? Or the current
female record holder Elizabeth Bathori? Nor the male record holder,
Teofilo Rojas? Or about the "most victims in one day" award holder, Wou
Bom-kon? Heck, you don't even mention the most prolific murder duo,
Delfina and Maria de Jesus Gonzales.
Amateur.
--
The danger for what the press derisively calls the 'Religious Right' is
that they are making the same mistakes the religious left made. To solve the
moral problems of the nation they are looking to government rather than the
Creator of their faith and His strategies.
Robin
2004-05-25 01:38:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by jaonajames
look up over represented and per capita
I think you need to do that, because you change your meaning
depending upon the subject at hand. Now you are not only a
liar, but a hypocrit.
Post by jaonajames
Post by Dionisio
Post by jaonajames
that still does not disprove that homosexuals are not
over repersented as
Post by jaonajames
Post by Dionisio
Post by jaonajames
serial killers, to simple post the names of hetero
serial killers does
Post by jaonajames
not
Post by Dionisio
Post by jaonajames
disprove the fact
Oh, so it's some sort of contest to you, eh? So, um --
pardon if this
Post by jaonajames
Post by Dionisio
sounds macabre -- what are the parting gifts?
And as far as head counts go: What, no mention of
Behram? Or the current
Post by jaonajames
Post by Dionisio
female record holder Elizabeth Bathori? Nor the male
record holder,
Post by jaonajames
Post by Dionisio
Teofilo Rojas? Or about the "most victims in one day"
award holder, Wou
Post by jaonajames
Post by Dionisio
Bom-kon? Heck, you don't even mention the most prolific
murder duo,
Post by jaonajames
Post by Dionisio
Delfina and Maria de Jesus Gonzales.
Amateur.
--
The danger for what the press derisively calls the
'Religious Right' is
Post by jaonajames
that they are making the same mistakes the religious left
made. To solve the
Post by jaonajames
moral problems of the nation they are looking to
government rather than the
Post by jaonajames
Creator of their faith and His strategies.
jaonajames
2004-05-25 03:25:56 UTC
Permalink
I think robin needs to find a psychiatrist , you have not posted one link to
prove any thing you have said like I said I have been to the U.S census site
and can not confirm anything you have said
Post by Robin
Post by jaonajames
look up over represented and per capita
I think you need to do that, because you change your meaning
depending upon the subject at hand. Now you are not only a
liar, but a hypocrit.
Post by jaonajames
Post by Dionisio
Post by jaonajames
that still does not disprove that homosexuals are not
over repersented as
Post by jaonajames
Post by Dionisio
Post by jaonajames
serial killers, to simple post the names of hetero
serial killers does
Post by jaonajames
not
Post by Dionisio
Post by jaonajames
disprove the fact
Oh, so it's some sort of contest to you, eh? So, um --
pardon if this
Post by jaonajames
Post by Dionisio
sounds macabre -- what are the parting gifts?
And as far as head counts go: What, no mention of
Behram? Or the current
Post by jaonajames
Post by Dionisio
female record holder Elizabeth Bathori? Nor the male
record holder,
Post by jaonajames
Post by Dionisio
Teofilo Rojas? Or about the "most victims in one day"
award holder, Wou
Post by jaonajames
Post by Dionisio
Bom-kon? Heck, you don't even mention the most prolific
murder duo,
Post by jaonajames
Post by Dionisio
Delfina and Maria de Jesus Gonzales.
Amateur.
--
The danger for what the press derisively calls the
'Religious Right' is
Post by jaonajames
that they are making the same mistakes the religious left
made. To solve the
Post by jaonajames
moral problems of the nation they are looking to
government rather than the
Post by jaonajames
Creator of their faith and His strategies.
JTEM
2004-05-25 20:36:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by jaonajames
I think robin needs to find a psychiatrist ,
You speak from your own personal experience, no doubt.
Dionisio
2004-05-25 23:27:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by jaonajames
look up over represented and per capita
Oh, I know what they mean. Also know that your list contains several
non-homosexulas. But you'd find the suggestion to "look up 'liar'," to
be offensive...

The embarrassing part, is that my short little list of heterosexual
murderers killed quite a few more folks than your entire list of
"homosexuals" put together. And those were just "the cream of the crop."
Truth be told, one will find that the average hetero nut ball will off
more than the average homo nut ball. Why? They've got more society to
hide in, thus the authorities have to deal with a vastly larger pool of
suspects; Which means more time to keep on offing. (Classic case in
point: Jack the Ripper. He never was caught.) Face it, heterosexuals
have bred so much that the effects have become detrimental and
counterproductive to their very lives -- Literally. Can't see the
murderers for the potential victims.
--
The danger for what the press derisively calls the 'Religious Right' is that they are making the same mistakes the religious left made. To solve the moral problems of the nation they are looking to government rather than the Creator of their faith and His strategies.
jaonajames
2004-05-26 03:35:43 UTC
Permalink
again post a link or proof , documentation or drop off
Post by Dionisio
Post by jaonajames
look up over represented and per capita
Oh, I know what they mean. Also know that your list contains several
non-homosexulas. But you'd find the suggestion to "look up 'liar'," to
be offensive...
The embarrassing part, is that my short little list of heterosexual
murderers killed quite a few more folks than your entire list of
"homosexuals" put together. And those were just "the cream of the crop."
Truth be told, one will find that the average hetero nut ball will off
more than the average homo nut ball. Why? They've got more society to
hide in, thus the authorities have to deal with a vastly larger pool of
suspects; Which means more time to keep on offing. (Classic case in
point: Jack the Ripper. He never was caught.) Face it, heterosexuals
have bred so much that the effects have become detrimental and
counterproductive to their very lives -- Literally. Can't see the
murderers for the potential victims.
--
The danger for what the press derisively calls the 'Religious Right' is
that they are making the same mistakes the religious left made. To solve the
moral problems of the nation they are looking to government rather than the
Creator of their faith and His strategies.
Peacenik
2004-05-23 22:04:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by jaonajames
This is a list of serial killers who were homosexuals. This list is intended
for reference purposes only and does not imply a causal relationship between
homosexuality and serial killing.
Serial killers and their victims include people from all races, cultures,
nationalities, economic background, educational levels, genders, and sexual
orientations. Because serial killers are so rare, it is impossible to use
any demographic indicator as a predictor.
So?

Some gays commit crimes. Some straights do, too. Does that means we should
condemn heterosexuality too?
--
Peacenik
jaonajames
2004-05-23 22:07:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
This is a list of serial killers who were homosexuals. This list is
intended
Post by jaonajames
for reference purposes only and does not imply a causal relationship
between
Post by jaonajames
homosexuality and serial killing.
Serial killers and their victims include people from all races, cultures,
nationalities, economic background, educational levels, genders, and
sexual
Post by jaonajames
orientations. Because serial killers are so rare, it is impossible to use
any demographic indicator as a predictor.
So?
Some gays commit crimes. Some straights do, too. Does that means we should
condemn heterosexuality too?
--
Peacenik
no it means you are over repersented in sexual male molestation and serial
killings
Peacenik
2004-05-23 22:18:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
This is a list of serial killers who were homosexuals. This list is
intended
Post by jaonajames
for reference purposes only and does not imply a causal relationship
between
Post by jaonajames
homosexuality and serial killing.
Serial killers and their victims include people from all races,
cultures,
Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
nationalities, economic background, educational levels, genders, and
sexual
Post by jaonajames
orientations. Because serial killers are so rare, it is impossible to
use
Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
any demographic indicator as a predictor.
So?
Some gays commit crimes. Some straights do, too. Does that means we should
condemn heterosexuality too?
--
Peacenik
no it means you are over repersented in sexual male molestation and serial
killings
"you"?

I'm not gay.

Sorry, but far more straights commit crimes than gays.
--
Peacenik
jaonajames
2004-05-23 22:32:19 UTC
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Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
This is a list of serial killers who were homosexuals. This list is
intended
Post by jaonajames
for reference purposes only and does not imply a causal relationship
between
Post by jaonajames
homosexuality and serial killing.
Serial killers and their victims include people from all races,
cultures,
Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
nationalities, economic background, educational levels, genders, and
sexual
Post by jaonajames
orientations. Because serial killers are so rare, it is impossible to
use
Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
any demographic indicator as a predictor.
So?
Some gays commit crimes. Some straights do, too. Does that means we
should
Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
condemn heterosexuality too?
--
Peacenik
no it means you are over repersented in sexual male molestation and serial
killings
"you"?
I'm not gay.
Sorry, but far more straights commit crimes than gays.
--
Peacenik
sorry not per capita
already posted it
been there done that
Peacenik
2004-05-23 23:35:26 UTC
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This is a list of serial killers who were homosexuals. This list is
intended
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for reference purposes only and does not imply a causal relationship
between
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homosexuality and serial killing.
Serial killers and their victims include people from all races,
cultures,
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nationalities, economic background, educational levels, genders, and
sexual
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orientations. Because serial killers are so rare, it is impossible
to
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use
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any demographic indicator as a predictor.
So?
Some gays commit crimes. Some straights do, too. Does that means we
should
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condemn heterosexuality too?
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Peacenik
no it means you are over repersented in sexual male molestation and
serial
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killings
"you"?
I'm not gay.
Sorry, but far more straights commit crimes than gays.
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Peacenik
sorry not per capita
already posted it
been there done that
Yes, even per capita. Your posting of doubtful lists of "gay" serial killers
does not strengthen your false claim.
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Peacenik
Brent Norman
2004-05-24 19:14:23 UTC
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This is a list of serial killers who were homosexuals. This list
is
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intended
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for reference purposes only and does not imply a causal
relationship
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between
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homosexuality and serial killing.
Serial killers and their victims include people from all races,
cultures,
Post by jaonajames
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nationalities, economic background, educational levels, genders,
and
Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
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sexual
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orientations. Because serial killers are so rare, it is impossible
to
Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
use
Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
any demographic indicator as a predictor.
So?
Some gays commit crimes. Some straights do, too. Does that means we
should
Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
condemn heterosexuality too?
--
Peacenik
no it means you are over repersented in sexual male molestation and
serial
Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
killings
"you"?
I'm not gay.
Sorry, but far more straights commit crimes than gays.
--
Peacenik
sorry not per capita
already posted it
been there done that
Yes, even per capita. Your posting of doubtful lists of "gay" serial killers
does not strengthen your false claim.
--
Peacenik
And if you take into account jaonajames postulation that not all married men
are hetero, the number of potentially gay men increases ten fold.
Robin
2004-05-25 01:36:50 UTC
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"Peacenik"
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This is a list of serial killers who were
homosexuals. This list
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is
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intended
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for reference purposes only and does not imply
a causal
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relationship
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Post by jaonajames
between
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homosexuality and serial killing.
Serial killers and their victims include
people from all races,
Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
cultures,
Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
nationalities, economic background,
educational levels, genders,
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and
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sexual
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orientations. Because serial killers are so
rare, it is
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impossible
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to
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use
Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
any demographic indicator as a predictor.
So?
Some gays commit crimes. Some straights do, too.
Does that means
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we
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Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
should
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condemn heterosexuality too?
--
Peacenik
no it means you are over repersented in sexual
male molestation and
Post by jaonajames
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serial
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killings
"you"?
I'm not gay.
Sorry, but far more straights commit crimes than
gays.
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Peacenik
sorry not per capita
already posted it
been there done that
Yes, even per capita. Your posting of doubtful lists of
"gay" serial
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killers
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does not strengthen your false claim.
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Peacenik
And if you take into account jaonajames postulation that
not all married men
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are hetero, the number of potentially gay men increases
ten fold.
Look further up in the thread where she claims that the 58%
college education level of homosexuals vs. the 38% college
education level of heterosexuals is lesser per capita. Now
when we are talking about something negative she wants to
change her definition of per capita.

Typical double talking hypocrisy.... or she is a complete
moron and doesn't know the meanings of her chosen
vocabulary. Both maybe?
Robin
2004-05-25 01:33:52 UTC
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Post by jaonajames
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This is a list of serial killers who were homosexuals.
This list is
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intended
Post by jaonajames
for reference purposes only and does not imply a
causal relationship
Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
between
Post by jaonajames
homosexuality and serial killing.
Serial killers and their victims include people from
all races,
Post by jaonajames
cultures,
Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
nationalities, economic background, educational
levels, genders, and
Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
sexual
Post by jaonajames
orientations. Because serial killers are so rare, it
is impossible to
Post by jaonajames
use
Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
any demographic indicator as a predictor.
So?
Some gays commit crimes. Some straights do, too. Does
that means we should
Post by jaonajames
Post by jaonajames
condemn heterosexuality too?
--
Peacenik
no it means you are over repersented in sexual male
molestation and serial
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killings
Is that "Per capita" or per our segment of population? Do
you know the difference? Is there a difference?

Why do you want to look at crime per our segment of
population, but want to put our education level against the
entire population? Is that a hypocritical double standard??
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